Re: [ee4j-build] EE4J Build Team meeting 10/31/2018

[Frederic Gurr <frederic.gurr@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Bill,

There is already an input box, it's your browser address bar. :)
I don't think it's getting any easier than typing
"https://wiki.eclipse.org/My new page" to open a wiki page with the
title "My new page" and clicking on the "create" button on the right.

Installing the InputBox extension does not seem to add justifiable value.

The missing notifications for approved pages is a limitation of the Wiki
extension: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Moderation. So there
is not much we can do about it.

Regards,

Fred


On 02.11.18 20:09, Bill Shannon wrote:
> Thanks, Fred!
> 
> I don't suppose you could update the wiki to support the
> "Using article creation template" approach to creating a
> new page?
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Starting_a_new_page#Using_article_creation_template
> 
> And it would be nice if there was some notification when
> moderators approve a page!
> 
> Should I file bug reports to request these improvements?
> 
> 
> Frederic Gurr wrote on 11/02/2018 11:05 AM:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've added a few details to your answers and created the following page:
>>
>> https://wiki.eclipse.org/How_to_add_pages_to_the_Jakarta_EE_wiki
>>
>> Please let us know, if anything is missing.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> On 31.10.18 21:56, Ed Bratt wrote:
>>> Frederic, can you help us with this?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -- Ed
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/31/2018 12:55 PM, Bill Shannon wrote:
>>>> Yes, I want a wiki page written by someone who understands the answers
>>>> to these questions.  Surely someone here could do that?  I know it's
>>>> not me...  :-)
>>>>
>>>> Ed Bratt wrote on 10/31/2018 12:50 PM:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I can only try with the things I can infer ...
>>>>>
>>>>> The wiki is Media Wiki. You might learn some of the mechanics from
>>>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Editing_pages
>>>>>
>>>>> Categories -- seem to just be keywords that you can add to pages.
>>>>> From what I can tell, they can be anywhere in the markup. You can
>>>>> have multiple categories for any page.
>>>>>
>>>>> Moderation is probably in place to prevent vandalism. Near as I can
>>>>> tell, you have to have one or more "edits" approved, then (I think)
>>>>> the moderate constraint is removed (that was what was inferred by
>>>>> Kevin's e-mail). (Indirectly, you can look at the list of Active
>>>>> Users to see who currently has no-moderate -- hint, I am not on that
>>>>> list as of this moment).
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know who the moderators are. It's not clear if this can be
>>>>> granted to a sub-set of users. I'd guess that they are all Eclipse
>>>>> Admins or staff folks, but that's just a guess. There are a couple of
>>>>> categories of users. I couldn't guess, beyond administrators what
>>>>> permissions who has.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no idea how moderate request notification works -- or if there
>>>>> is even any notification.
>>>>>
>>>>> I see, my one edit is still pending moderator approval -- so
>>>>> apparently, someone else got in and added that (rendering my proposed
>>>>> change moot now.)
>>>>>
>>>>> We could start a how-to page if you like. My theory is, if you create
>>>>> a page now, it will immediately be published as you are now an
>>>>> "active <https://wiki.eclipse.org/Special:ActiveUsers>" user.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/31/2018 12:12 PM, Bill Shannon wrote:
>>>>>> Ed Bratt wrote on 10/31/2018 07:59 AM:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Discussion about Eclipse Wiki pages
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   * Dmitry raised the issue that all Eclipse wiki page updates
>>>>>>>     require a moderator to approve. For example, the component
>>>>>>>     release tracker wiki, for example, has an edit-backlog as of
>>>>>>>     this writing. Currently moderators appear to be limited to a
>>>>>>>     small number of community and Eclipse members. We have
>>>>>>>     requested additional approvers be allocated so that we can get
>>>>>>>     updates to the wiki pages more quickly. Eclipse admins will
>>>>>>>     investigate.
>>>>>>>       o Dmitry has requested that Jakarta EE be added to the
>>>>>>>         Eclipse Wiki home-page. As it is now, users must know that
>>>>>>>         there is a Jakarta EE category, or know the link:
>>>>>>>         https://wiki.eclipse.org/Category:Jakarta_EE. Eclipse
>>>>>>>         admins have agreed and will add this link to the Eclipse
>>>>>>>         Wiki homepage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can someone please create a wiki page with the title "How to add
>>>>>> pages to the Jakarta EE wiki"?  It was not obvious to me how to do
>>>>>> so, and I didn't do everything correctly.  Surely we want more
>>>>>> people to add wiki pages so giving them a place to start and some
>>>>>> guidance would be really helpful.  For example, how should I name my
>>>>>> pages?  How do I use Category:Jakarta_EE?  Why do I have to wait for
>>>>>> a moderator to approve my page?  How will I know when the moderator
>>>>>> has approved my page?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>

-- 
Frederic Gurr
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