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Re: [udig-devel] udig-1.2 for linux and mac
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I use linux and java since ages now and honestly I prefer to have the
jre packaged together with udig.
Linux users are no longer geeks and you cannot assume that they
understand all the dependencies and stuff. Also recently I made
experiences with developers that start with the apt--get java install
and end up with a strange working eclipse environment. Packaging the
imageio for mac has been a bit of pain if I recall correctly. Now all
the imageio-ext and gdal stuff come as a present, which could and
probably will happily conflict with current installs. At that point I
already feel the wave of problems coming to the list.
Right now I thing we should focus on the problems we have and not
generate new ones.
So my vote goes to keep the jre in the package also for linux.
Andrea
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 2:32 AM, Harry Bullen <hbullen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I imagaine that have our own JRE will annoy the linux distro's.
> Unless we have our own version of the jai and imageio packages you can
> simplly depend on them. Then you use the -classpath and
> -Djava.libray.path= to define the locations of extenstions you need.
> While you may still package the JRE with uDig under windows and Mac to
> simplify the instaltion, under linux the install scripts make any
> complicated install very very easy for the user so it is better to do
> it the right way if possiable.
>
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Thinking - the people that work on OSGEO live DVDs (and live virtual images)
>> tend to manage their work with debian packages - since they have been
>> including uDig perhaps they have some experience in this area?
>> We should use the volunteers that are already doing the work.
>> Jody
>> PS. Even if we bundle up uDig like this for linux; we may *still* include
>> our own JRE just so we do not annoy the users machine with something we have
>> hacked up for our own use.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Craig Taverner <udig@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> I second this idea. But there is a catch. At least for Ubuntu, and I
>>> suspect for all (most) other linux distributions, the suppliers do not
>>> directly support packages that are not commodity (widely used). Less
>>> commonly used packages (which uDIG would be), are usually supported by
>>> community volunteers. In Ubuntu's case, there is a 'masters of the universe'
>>> group of people responsible for re-packaging applications for the
>>> distributions 'universe' set (which means applications not officially part
>>> of the core distribution, but still available for easy install/upgrade
>>> through the package manager).
>>>
>>> What this boils down to is we need a few volunteers from the uDIG
>>> community to perform this role for each distribution: repackaging each new
>>> uDIG release in the appropriate format with appropriate dependencies, and
>>> publish to the relevant download sites/indices.
>>>
>>> I could imagine performing this role for Ubuntu, but am not able to
>>> guarantee I will have the time to commit. In addition, I'm not aware of all
>>> requirements for admission to the 'masters of the universe'. I have no idea
>>> what other distributions require.
>>>
>>> If we do go ahead with this, it will result in increased popularity for
>>> sure. Modern linux users really like their apps to be properly supported by
>>> the OS distribution, for the reasons Harry mentions.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Craig
>>>
>>> P.S. In an ideal world, uDIG would be made of a number of smaller
>>> packages, java, jai-imageio, eclipse, geotools, udig. But I think udig is a
>>> long way from being easily fragmented like that.
>>>
>>> P.P.S. I just saw Andrea Aime comment, but think it is easy enough to
>>> require sun-java6 explicitly as a dependency
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Harry Bullen <hbullen@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Personally I really, really dislike the idea of asking someone
>>>> download your copy of the jre in linux. Because all popular distos
>>>> now have very good package managment it is much better to say do
>>>> apt-get install jai-imageio then to force someone to download another
>>>> whole jre. Besides being a time consuming waste of bandwidth it
>>>> prevents the user form upgrading. The current version of java
>>>> 1.6.0_11 while we are still force everyone to use 1.6.0_04. This
>>>> would be even worse if there had been a major security vulnerability
>>>> discovered in java. A user could upgrade their regular java an think
>>>> they are safe and then still be affected by the problem in the uDig
>>>> jre. So actually the best thing to do would be to submit udig to the
>>>> various distros mainlly Debian and Red Hat (and Gentoo) and then
>>>> people can just go "sudo apt-get insall udig" to install udig.
>>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > I have a few reports back that the linux download provided below does
>>>> > not
>>>> > work.
>>>> >
>>>> > I expect that it probably wants a jre/ folder to be copied into the
>>>> > udig
>>>> > folder...or for Java to be available on the system?
>>>> >
>>>> > I would like to ask someone to try .....
>>>> > 1. download the linux zip
>>>> > 2. unzip it
>>>> > 3. unzip the following jre into it
>>>> >
>>>> > http://udig.refractions.net/files/downloads/jre/jre1.6.0_04.linux.x86.zip
>>>> >
>>>> > Actually one of the fun parts of uDig 1.2 is all the image-io ext stuff
>>>> > being included in the jre; I have this available for the windows users
>>>> > but
>>>> > we will need someone with access to linux to bundle everything up for
>>>> > the
>>>> > linux community as per the instructions here:
>>>> >
>>>> > http://udig.refractions.net/confluence/display/ADMIN/04+Java+Runtime+Environment
>>>> >
>>>> > Jody
>>>> > Silvia Franceschi wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks Jody,
>>>> >> I downloaded the mac version and it started, so I can start also to do
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> walkthroug.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks for the big work you all are doing in uDig...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Silvia
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Jody Garnett <jody.garnett@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> >> <mailto:jody.garnett@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> During todays informal IRC chat (logs posted?) it was mentioned
>>>> >> that Silvia was stuck not being able to help until a linux or mac
>>>> >> release was made of uDig 1.2.
>>>> >> I had a go during the IRC chat and failed - because some kind of
>>>> >> equnox launcher was not "found" in my target platform...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So here we go:
>>>> >> -
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://udig.refractions.net/files/downloads/udig-1.2-M1.linux.gtk.x86.zip
>>>> >> -
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://udig.refractions.net/files/downloads/udig-1.2-M1.macosx.carbon.x86.zip
>>>> >>
>>>> >> (Those files are uploading now ... no idea how long that will take)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Turns out that although it was not actually my eclipse install -
>>>> >> which was my fear. Eclipse 3.4 has a new check box on the target
>>>> >> platform definition screen which controls how all the jars are
>>>> >> discovered- by default it ignores everything that does not work on
>>>> >> your machine - so the linux launcher was not included for me even
>>>> >> though I followed all the same steps as before.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Un checking this box returned things to normal; and I was able to
>>>> >> make the linux and mac release.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> We need to update the ADMIN wiki space on defining a target
>>>> >> platform to include this step,
>>>> >> Jody
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Harry William Bullen IV
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> Harry William Bullen IV
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