| Re: [iot-pmc] PMC Approval required for Committer Election for Ian Craggs on Sparkplug |
I too had confused the Tahu project and the Sparkplug specification project. Thank you Frédéric for the clarification!
+1 for me.
Thanks,
--Dave
On 12/10/20, 6:11 AM, "iot-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Hudalla Kai (IOC/PAP-HU)" <iot-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Kai.Hudalla@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 10.12.20 14:13, Frédéric Desbiens wrote:
> Hi Kai.
>
> Eclipse specifications require that at least one open source compatible
> implementation exists. In the case of Sparkplug, that implementation is
> the Eclipse Tahu project. The Sparkplug specification project and Tahu
> have each their own set of committers and are managed independently.
>
Looks like I have confused Tahu with the specification project.
Thanks for the clarification, Frederic :-)
> The scope for Sparkplug specification project is the specification
> document itself (in ASCIIDOC) as well as the Sparkplug technology
> compatibility kit (TCK). The TCK will be used to validate compatible
> implementations, like the Jakarta EE TCK is used to certify Java app
> servers. The Sparkplug specification team will soon start writing the TCK.
>
> Since Ian has experience writing such TCKs for normative specifications,
> his advice will be invaluable to the Sparkplug specification project
> team. In this context, his contributions to other open source
> initiatives and his deep knowledge of MQTT, on which Sparkplug is
> overlaid, completely justify his nomination as a Sparkplug specification
> project committer. That said, the situation is different for Eclipse
> Tahu; I expect Ian will have to build a history of contributions over
> there.
>
Based on this information, I have no problem at all with Ian becoming a
committer on the Sparkplug specification project :-)
> Best Regards,
>
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> On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 at 03:55, Hudalla Kai (IOC/PAP-HU)
> <Kai.Hudalla@xxxxxxxx <mailto:Kai.Hudalla@xxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> On 09.12.20 15:16, Frédéric Desbiens wrote:
> > Hi Ian.
> >
> > Working group membership is not required to make contributions to the
> > Sparkplug specification project or even to become a committer on it.
> >
> > Currently, the Sparkplug WG charter does not include the concept of a
> > committer member; however, this is something the steering committee
> > could add to accommodate cases like yours. I wonder if this is
> something
> > that working groups should add automatically when they add
> > specifications to their scope.
> >
> > Wayne: I think there is some confusion here about specification
> > projects, specification committees and working groups. Do you think we
> > should hop on a call with Ian Skerrett and Ian Craggs to
> understand what
> > they are looking for and suggest a way forward?
> >
>
> Indeed, I am a bit lost here. I do not know in which the context the
> Sparkplug specification is being created, i.e. if that happens inside of
> the "project" or the "working group".
>
> My understanding of the project so far was, that it included the initial
> version of the Sparkplug "specificaiton" but also provides an
> implementation based on specific brokers and clients.
>
> If that is the case, I would expect to see some contributions to the
> project before granting committer status on the project.
>
>
> > Best,
> >
> > *Frédéric DESBIENS*
> >
> > *Program Manager, IoT and Edge Computing | **Eclipse Foundation, Inc.*
> >
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> >
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> >
> > On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 06:42, Ian Craggs
> <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > <mailto:icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jens,
> >
> > I confess to not being familiar with the Eclipse specification
> > process, so I'm not sure how things are expected to work. The
> > principal reason that Dominik nominated me was to take
> advantage of
> > my experience of working on the MQTT and MQTT-SN specifications at
> > OASIS. I was secretary as well as a voting member for the
> MQTT 5.0
> > specification and am currently co-chair of the MQTT-SN
> specification
> > committee. Apart from my experience in the specification process,
> > SparkPlug is also related to MQTT so there are two levels of
> connection.
> >
> > The main goal is to allow my full participation in the
> specification
> > process for SparkPlug, attending working group meetings, and being
> > able to vote on any resolutions, as well as contributing
> > documentation updates and software.
> >
> > I looked at the membership prospectus for the working group
> >
> (https://f.hubspotusercontent10.net/hubfs/5413615/sparkplug-member-prospectus%202020.pdf
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> > and concluded that I could join as an individual participant
> member
> > for the fee of $500 (and signing the participation
> agreement). But
> > then Ian Skerrett checked with the Eclipse organization (I don't
> > know who), and suggested this committer election route as a
> result.
> >
> > Obviously I don't need to be a committer to submit PRs to the
> > project, which I am quite happy to do. It is membership of the
> > working group that I'm aiming for. I don't know if those are
> > different things or not.
> >
> > Ian
> >
> > On 09/12/2020 03:52, EMO EMO wrote:
> >> There is precedent for using established expertise in a related
> >> field as the criteria for a committer election. This is, IMHO,
> >> especially true for specification projects. As specification
> >> projects are industry expert groups, past contributions elsewhere
> >> that establish an individual's credentials in the domain area
> >> should be taken into consideration when determining merit.
> >>
> >> Wayne
> >>
> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 3:53 AM Jens Reimann
> <jreimann@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jreimann@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> <mailto:jreimann@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jreimann@xxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi PMC,
> >> Hi Ian,
> >>
> >> I am having a bit of concerns approving this request.
> >>
> >> I am definitely not doubting the achievements of Ian when it
> >> comes to MQTT, as listed in the nomination in a transparent
> >> manner.
> >>
> >> However, these are not contributions to the Sparkplug
> project.
> >> As far as I understood the nomination, you expect Ian to
> >> contribute to Sparkplug "in the future".
> >>
> >> As "future" contributions don't count, for me that would be a
> >> reason to reject the request for a normal Eclipse project.
> >> However, to my understanding, Sparkplug is more a
> >> specification project. So let's discuss if that should be
> >> treated differently.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Jens
> >>
> >> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 6:12 AM
> <emo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:emo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> <mailto:emo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:emo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> The Committer Election for Ian Craggs on project
> Sparkplug
> >> (iot.sparkplug)
> >> concluded successfully.
> >>
> >> PMC leads and members can click the election link
> below to
> >> review and
> >> approve.
> >>
> >> Election:
> >>
> https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/iot.sparkplug/elections/election-ian-craggs-committer-sparkplug
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