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Re: [iot-pmc] PMC Approval required for Committer Election for Ian Craggs on Sparkplug
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 9:17 AM Frédéric Desbiens <frederic.desbiens@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Ian.

Working group membership is not required to make contributions to the Sparkplug specification project or even to become a committer on it.

Strictly speaking, this is true. That is, it is mostly true, and only with a very specific interpretation of "become a committer". :-)

The first part is completely true. To contribute to a specification project, one must sign the ECA. With this in hand, a committer can accept your contributions.

It's the "becoming a committer" part where I'm splitting hairs. You don't need to be a member of a working group to be nominated as a committer, but once the election is complete, working group membership is one of the agreements that needs to be in place before one can be granted actual committer status. 

For most working groups, we have both a company working group participation agreement (WGPA) and an individual WGPA. Individual WGPAs do not require a paid membership.

At this point in time, the Sparkplug Working group doesn't have an individual WGPA. But, AFAIK, Ian is working under contract by an organization that has, so we're pretty sure that we can make that work.
 

Currently, the Sparkplug WG charter does not include the concept of a committer member; however, this is something the steering committee could add to accommodate cases like yours. I wonder if this is something that working groups should add automatically when they add specifications to their scope.

This is something that we should take up with the working group.
 

Wayne: I think there is some confusion here about specification projects, specification committees and working groups. Do you think we should hop on a call with Ian Skerrett and Ian Craggs to understand what they are looking for and suggest a way forward?

Sure. Let's take that offline.

Wayne
 

Best,

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On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 06:42, Ian Craggs <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Jens,

I confess to not being familiar with the Eclipse specification process, so I'm not sure how things are expected to work.  The principal reason that Dominik nominated me was to take advantage of my experience of working on the MQTT and MQTT-SN specifications at OASIS.  I was secretary as well as a voting member for the MQTT 5.0 specification and am currently co-chair of the MQTT-SN specification committee.  Apart from my experience in the specification process, SparkPlug is also related to MQTT so there are two levels of connection.

The main goal is to allow my full participation in the specification process for SparkPlug, attending working group meetings, and being able to vote on any resolutions, as well as contributing documentation updates and software. 

I looked at the membership prospectus for the working group (https://f.hubspotusercontent10.net/hubfs/5413615/sparkplug-member-prospectus%202020.pdf) and concluded that I could join as an individual participant member for the fee of $500 (and signing the participation agreement).  But then Ian Skerrett checked with the Eclipse organization (I don't know who), and suggested this committer election route as a result. 

Obviously I don't need to be a committer to submit PRs to the project, which I am quite happy to do.  It is membership of the working group that I'm aiming for.  I don't know if those are different things or not.

Ian

On 09/12/2020 03:52, EMO EMO wrote:
There is precedent for using established expertise in a related field as the criteria for a committer election. This is, IMHO, especially true for specification projects. As specification projects are industry expert groups, past contributions elsewhere that establish an individual's credentials in the domain area should be taken into consideration when determining merit.

Wayne

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 3:53 AM Jens Reimann <jreimann@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi PMC,
Hi Ian,

I am having a bit of concerns approving this request.

I am definitely not doubting the achievements of Ian when it comes to MQTT, as listed in the nomination in a transparent manner.

However, these are not contributions to the Sparkplug project. As far as I understood the nomination, you expect Ian to contribute to Sparkplug "in the future".

As "future" contributions don't count, for me that would be a reason to reject the request for a normal Eclipse project. However, to my understanding, Sparkplug is more a specification project. So let's discuss if that should be treated differently.

Cheers

Jens

On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 6:12 AM <emo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The Committer Election for Ian Craggs on project Sparkplug (iot.sparkplug)
concluded successfully.

PMC leads and members can click the election link below to review and
approve.

Election:
https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/iot.sparkplug/elections/election-ian-craggs-committer-sparkplug

Project: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/iot.sparkplug

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