| Re: [iot-pmc] PMC Approval required for Committer Election for Ian Craggs on Sparkplug |
Frédéric DESBIENS
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On 09.12.20 15:16, Frédéric Desbiens wrote:
> Hi Ian.
>
> Working group membership is not required to make contributions to the
> Sparkplug specification project or even to become a committer on it.
>
> Currently, the Sparkplug WG charter does not include the concept of a
> committer member; however, this is something the steering committee
> could add to accommodate cases like yours. I wonder if this is something
> that working groups should add automatically when they add
> specifications to their scope.
>
> Wayne: I think there is some confusion here about specification
> projects, specification committees and working groups. Do you think we
> should hop on a call with Ian Skerrett and Ian Craggs to understand what
> they are looking for and suggest a way forward?
>
Indeed, I am a bit lost here. I do not know in which the context the
Sparkplug specification is being created, i.e. if that happens inside of
the "project" or the "working group".
My understanding of the project so far was, that it included the initial
version of the Sparkplug "specificaiton" but also provides an
implementation based on specific brokers and clients.
If that is the case, I would expect to see some contributions to the
project before granting committer status on the project.
> Best,
>
> *Frédéric DESBIENS*
>
> *Program Manager, IoT and Edge Computing | **Eclipse Foundation, Inc.*
>
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> On Wed, 9 Dec 2020 at 06:42, Ian Craggs <icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:icraggs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> Hi Jens,
>
> I confess to not being familiar with the Eclipse specification
> process, so I'm not sure how things are expected to work. The
> principal reason that Dominik nominated me was to take advantage of
> my experience of working on the MQTT and MQTT-SN specifications at
> OASIS. I was secretary as well as a voting member for the MQTT 5.0
> specification and am currently co-chair of the MQTT-SN specification
> committee. Apart from my experience in the specification process,
> SparkPlug is also related to MQTT so there are two levels of connection.
>
> The main goal is to allow my full participation in the specification
> process for SparkPlug, attending working group meetings, and being
> able to vote on any resolutions, as well as contributing
> documentation updates and software.
>
> I looked at the membership prospectus for the working group
> (https://f.hubspotusercontent10.net/hubfs/5413615/sparkplug-member-prospectus%202020.pdf
> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">>)
> and concluded that I could join as an individual participant member
> for the fee of $500 (and signing the participation agreement). But
> then Ian Skerrett checked with the Eclipse organization (I don't
> know who), and suggested this committer election route as a result.
>
> Obviously I don't need to be a committer to submit PRs to the
> project, which I am quite happy to do. It is membership of the
> working group that I'm aiming for. I don't know if those are
> different things or not.
>
> Ian
>
> On 09/12/2020 03:52, EMO EMO wrote:
>> There is precedent for using established expertise in a related
>> field as the criteria for a committer election. This is, IMHO,
>> especially true for specification projects. As specification
>> projects are industry expert groups, past contributions elsewhere
>> that establish an individual's credentials in the domain area
>> should be taken into consideration when determining merit.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 3:53 AM Jens Reimann <jreimann@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:jreimann@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi PMC,
>> Hi Ian,
>>
>> I am having a bit of concerns approving this request.
>>
>> I am definitely not doubting the achievements of Ian when it
>> comes to MQTT, as listed in the nomination in a transparent
>> manner.
>>
>> However, these are not contributions to the Sparkplug project.
>> As far as I understood the nomination, you expect Ian to
>> contribute to Sparkplug "in the future".
>>
>> As "future" contributions don't count, for me that would be a
>> reason to reject the request for a normal Eclipse project.
>> However, to my understanding, Sparkplug is more a
>> specification project. So let's discuss if that should be
>> treated differently.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Jens
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 6:12 AM <emo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:emo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>> The Committer Election for Ian Craggs on project Sparkplug
>> (iot.sparkplug)
>> concluded successfully.
>>
>> PMC leads and members can click the election link below to
>> review and
>> approve.
>>
>> Election:
>> https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/iot.sparkplug/elections/election-ian-craggs-committer-sparkplug
>> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url="">>
>>
>> Project:
>> https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/iot.sparkplug
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