FWIW, this was a really good discussion and I am glad to see a
resolution was quickly found. I think it is a healthy sign that the
PMC and project leaders are engaged in making sure we have a great
IoT community. Thank you.
I'd also like to point out that having 2 Germans and 2 Frenchmen is
a good balance for any PMC. :-)
Finally, very excited to see Concierge have their first release.
Ian
On 09/10/2015 4:03 AM, Jens Reimann
wrote:
+1 for the 1.0 release
After reading through the discussion, I do think releasing 1.0
is fine. Maybe even 1.1 to indicate that this is something
"fresher" than the sourceforge release. But I think you can
decide this best. What I understood is, after you mentioned it,
that Concierge has some history on sourecforge and this is good
enough for me.
For the graduation I still think it is best to wait a few
releases. I do think that it takes a few releases before one can
decide about maturity of a project. Even if you know your way
around Eclipse, each project is different. And as Kai said, you
never now what the future brings and how your first (Eclipse)
release turns out. So I think this is the right decision.
And as Kai mentioned, maybe it is a German thing, or maybe it is
just me, but I would like to fully understand the situation
before I vote. So my intention is not to upset you!
And personally I really hope for another OSGi implementation
which brings R6 :) No matter if it is 0.1, 1.0 or graduated ;-)
Jens
On 10/08/2015 11:31 PM, Jan S. Rellermeyer wrote:
Okay,
that sounds like a good plan. Let me quickly (within the
margin of time zones) run the idea by the other committers
(and the dev-list in case somebody else has an opinion
about it) and I will then adjust the version number in the
release plan accordingly. I am not sure if I need to
re-submit my request for approval of the release review
documentation because of this change but I will possibly
do it just in case…
Regarding
graduation, I think you (Jens and Kai) brought up very
reasonable concerns and I see some improvements coming to
the project in the immediate future so I would suggest I
remove the graduation request, give the other committer
and me some more time to work on the material, fix some of
the pain points, and hopefully see the community picking
up our release to an extent that justifies graduation more
clearly. There is the possibility of a minor release on
the horizon for when we got full IP approval for my OSGi
REST reference implementation to be moved to Concierge so
I guess we can target this as a possible time for
graduation or even wait for the next major release.
Re:
Possible Jens and myself are simply (too) German
No
prob, I’ve been there, too. 17 years later, some people
still think I am J
--Jan.
Ok, so +1 on a version >= 1.0 - with
the existing release 1.0 on SF, I would actually agree
with Benjamin that Concierge should consider to directly
go to 2.0.
So what’s your opinion on the
graduation part then?
@Benjamin: Are you suggesting that Jan
should release a 1.0/2.0/5.0, but does
NOT have to graduate at the same time,
but could stay an incubation project?
How can it be told that a project is in
incubation then?
Absolutely. vert.x for
example is still incubating, and releasing
>1.0 versions [0] since they already had
a “life” before Eclipse.
I’m just referring to the
Eclipse Development Process [1] here. The
only requirement is for incubating projects
to make it clear in their branding [2]
(bundle-name, features names, downloadable
ZIP distros, etc) that it’s an incubation
project. Also, the Wiki page [3] about the
requirements for releases of an incubating
project is pretty clear regarding possible
having >1.0 releases.
Possible Jens and
myself are simply (too) German and we
wanted to follow the rules as we
understood them for new Eclipse projects
("the Eclipse Way“).
There might be some
documentation that refers to the now
obsolete requirement that incubation means
< 1.0, so if that’s what got you
confused, please point us at the culprit
documents.
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