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I don't want to hijack this thread, but
I entirely agree with Bill. I think we should do a community poll
on this. All that is really needed is a special "incubation"
designation for certain Jakarta EE specifications.
On 12/20/2018 6:04 PM, Bill Shannon
wrote:
Why do you not want Jakarta EE to move along at a fast pace?
Wasn't that one of the key reasons for getting out of the JCP?
Emily Jiang wrote on 12/20/18 2:16
PM:
I don't think now is the good time to discuss whether to
change the communities around. MicroProfile is successful
and moves along at a fast pace and we should keep it that
way. I think this original thread is about talks and
promotions. If we want to clarify these and truly show we
are two community and work nicely together, let's change the
series title to be Jakarta EE and MicroProfile talks, as
suggested by Kevin originally and also by Cesar.
I think we are set on that... no confusion.
Thanks
Emily
That is one problem of MicroProfile that it
has not even a clear version scheme because it still is
just one project, so crutches like "mp_config-1.x.x"
were invented because the overall release cycle is just
a single project and the notion of a "platform" or
"umbrella" does not really exist there.
It would be possible under "technlogy", see https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.m2e.m2e-wtp
but while doing so, moving MicroProfile under EE4J
seems like a better option. Especially because the
separate Technology PMC is not that focussed on
"Server", "Enterprise" or "Cloud Native Stuff".
How do we deal with the projects
having different release cadences, different
processes, and the backward-compatibility
discrepancy? The topic of MicroProfile serving as an
“incubator” for other projects has been discussed
before. The mission of MicroProfile may need to be
changed if it adopts new processes.
And although the Spec Committee
mailing list seems private to only the members
(if an archive is visible, please look there,
otherwise it will be discussed in the next calls
and go into the publicly visible minutes) but
Mike mentioned, it is only a matter of time,
before most MicroProfile projects also have to
use a more formal specification process, whether
they are part of a "platform" or not.
Organisationally
I think it is logical for Microprofile
to move under the EE4J top level
project and likely split into multiple
sub-projects under EE4J. Whether apis
then progress to the Jakarta EE spec
process is a further step for each
API.
It
is up to the members of the
Microprofile project to instigate this
though.
Steve
With currently two different
top level projects, PMCs and steering
committees, and with overlapping (not
just complementing) APIs, we already
do have a concurrency situation. So if
nobody wants then, the correct
solution would be to immediately give
up the Microprofile project and
migrate all their work into Jakarta.
If this is what both steering
committees and PMCs want the community
to perceive, then the EF should
consequently do that ASAP. If not, we
should be consequent and strictly have
different communication channels, too.
-Markus
I
can't find any reason why they
should be kept separate. We're the
same people same community, same
technology. Creating separations
just for the sake of it only risks
an "us and them" attitude. Let's
stay above that! My two cents...
+1
for keeping them separate.
I'd like to vote
for keeping it separated.
-Markus
Amelia is
correct in some
regards... MicroProfile
is its own entity,
separate from Jakarta EE.
We have our own Marketing
committee. We have our
own forums, we produce our
own blogs, we present at
conferences, etc. But, we
also need to recognize
that we are part of the
Eclipse Foundation
family. I have witnessed
the support for
MicroProfile by the
Eclipse Foundation at
several conferences this
past year. Along with the
Eclipse newsletter,
vBlogs, tweets, keynotes
-- Eclipse Foundation
fundamentally supports the
MicroProfile efforts. As
they do with Jakarta EE.
So, in my
opinion, if these Jakarta
Tech Talks want to include
topics related to
MicroProfile, I think
that's great! Maybe a
slight tweak in the name
would help -- Jakarta and
MicroProfile Tech Talks,
if that's doable.
Otherwise, if we have any
MicroProfile-specific
talks, we can indicate
that we are still a
separate project as part
of our introduction and
then move into the
details. This should be
considered yet another
opportunity for the
MicroProfile team to
spread the word about the
great work we're doing.
Now, with all of
that explanation... If
the Jakarta Community
would rather keep these
Jakarta Tech Talks
narrowed to just the
Jakarta EE projects, then
that's fine also. No hard
feelings. But, if we are
invited to participate in
these Tech Talks, let's do
it! Thanks!
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Kevin Sutter
STSM, MicroProfile and
Java EE architect
e-mail: sutter@xxxxxxxxxx
Twitter: @kwsutter
phone: tl-553-3620
(office), 507-253-3620
(office)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter
From: Amelia
Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Jakarta
EE Community <jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 12/18/2018
04:35 PM
Subject: Re:
[jakarta.ee-community]
Jakarta Tech Talks,
meetups starting January
2019 with Jakarta EE NoSQL
Sent by: jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
Tanja,
Thanks for sending link to
to enable Jakarta Tech
Talks meetup group, just
joined! :)
Thus far 26 Jakartees,
lets participate beautiful
Community.
I noticed MicroProfile
being added to the
sessions under the Jakarta
talks. As a MicroProfiler
Co-founder, I am
requesting the immediate
removal from the list
today.
As stated in 2018 via many
MicroProfile blogs and
Q&A, the MicroProfile
project will continue to
be its own project, not
under the Jakarta EE
Project.
The MicroProfile project
will manage via its
community of volunteers
100% of all its marketing
initiatives.
Lastly, I will follow up
via the MicroProfile forum
clarification on the
latest Marketing MP call
meeting with respect to
that matter that continues
to be brought in to the
calls by the EF team.
Re-stating via this forum
that the MP project won’t
be marketed with the
Jakarta EE project.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MhFrcfdnmEND0lHzDkMa2TyhhtU90OKgthhGTjpyQ-4/edit#heading=h.5kmut5p0phc6
Happy to clarify any
questions, should that be
necessary,
Amelia Eiras
https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
Tribe: https://tomitribe.com https://tribestream.io
OSS: https://tomitribe.io https://microprofile.io
On Dec 17, 2018, at 12:00
PM, Tanja Obradovic <tanja.obradovic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hello
Jakarta community!
I'd like to
give you heads up on the
meetup series we are
preparing and introducing
in January 2019. We named
the session Jakarta
Tech Talks , and we
plan to meet once a month
to start with and include
wide range of topics
related to Java Cloud
Native technologies.
Please
consider this as an invite
to the first session Jakarta
EE meets NoSQL
planned for January 22nd,
2019 @ 11 AM EST. Refer to
the link above or here
for dial in details.
Other
sessions we have planed in
the following months are:
James
Roper, Reactive Streams
Kevin Sutter, Eclipse
Project for Java Batch
Emily Jiang, MicroProfile
next version
Markus Karg, JAX-RS
and many
more...
If you have
any suggestions or if you
are interested to
present in one of
the future sessions,
please let me know!
Best
Regards,
Tanja
--
Tanja
Obradovic
Jakarta EE
Program Manager | Eclipse
Foundation, Inc.
Twitter:
@TanjaEclipse
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Foundation: The Platform
for Open Innovation and
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