+1 for Jakarta Batch
I tried for years to get people to say "Persistence" and
"Connectors", but they insisted on calling them JPA and JCA. I gave
up. People are going to acronymize the name no mater what you do so
plan the acronym you want from the beginning.
(My only success was "JavaMail". :-) Sigh.)
arjan tijms wrote on 12/20/18 11:06 AM:
Hi,
It would be a good to re-think some of the names in the
EE ecosystem. For now Jakarta EE Batch seems okay, but I
could also imagine a Jakarta Batch or an EE Batch instead.
For example, as for JSR 375, that is now formally
called "Java™️ EE Security API", and it doesn't have a
well accepted abbreviation. Informally I often find myself
saying "EE Security".
Going forward we could have:
EE Security
EE Batch
...
Or
Jakarta Security
Jakarta Batch
...
For some of the other specs this would be less easy,
but I could for instance imagine a list like:
Jakarta Security
Jakarta Batch
Jakarta Transactions
Jakarta Validation
Jakarta Authentication
Jakarta Authorization
One if the criticisms against Java EE was all the
abbreviations that bewilder people who are new to the
platform. ES, JB, JTA, BVal, JASPIC, JACC, CDI, EJB, JSF,
EL... although I personally got attached to some of those
for me well known abbreviations, it may be time to let
them go?
Just a thought though.
Kind regards,
Arjan
I generally agree with this viewpoint. Jakarta EE Batch
seems perfectly reasonable.
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-------- Original message --------
Date: 12/20/18 12:14 PM (GMT-05:00)
Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] "Eclipse Project
for Java Batch" project proposal
"Eclipse Project for..." is not intended to
be a standard. We chose that, basically, as a work
around to reduce some of the friction of bringing these
projects over to the Eclipse Foundation.
By way of background, we need our project names to
avoid infringing on trademarks held by others. There's
a little grey area regarding which spec names are
trademarked and and which aren't, we didn't have the
name "Jakarta" sorted out at the time, and we didn't
want to spend a week coming up with a bunch of new
names, so we came up with this work around. At least
in part, we went with this because I got tired of
arguing about it, and "Eclipse Project for..." was the
least bad option.
IMHO, "Eclipse Project for..." is meaningless and
there is value in keeping "Eclipse" out of the names
of the specifications. "Jakarta" is a brand
supported by the Eclipse Foundation and so it can be
used in project names. By way of background (again),
we require that formal project names include our
brand (e.g. "Eclipse Kura"); as a brand of the
Eclipse Foundation, "Jakarta EE Batch" is (general
trademark issues notwithstanding) a completely
reasonable project name.
Our most recent project is named "Jakarta EE
NoSQL". This feels like a better standard pattern to
me. In fact, I'd love to see us rename some of the
existing projects as we turn them into proper
"specification projects". We might consider, for
example, renaming "Eclipse Project for JAX-WS" to
something like "Jakarta EE XML Web Services" (we might
want to try and tighten that one up: "Jakarta XML Web
Services"?). Note that I haven't fully vetted this
from a trademark management point of view. Let's maybe
save that larger conversation until the new year.
HTH,
Wayne
Wayne
Hi,
We are looking to move
the Java Batch
project under the Jakarta EE umbrella! The project
proposal just
went live!
https://projects.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-project-java-batch
This project proposal
is now under Community
Review. We are looking for comments and suggestions
to improve the
proposal before submitting to Eclipse for a Creation
Review. The
Creation Review won't happen until sometime in 1Q2019.
You are welcome to
provide your comments
via the proposal page, or via this thread in
ee-community, or via private
emails to either myself or Scott Kurz (the real lead
for Java Batch). Only
use this last option if there is something you just
can't share more openly.
Eclipse really promotes the use of open dialog, so we
would prefer
a public discussion on the proposal. Thanks!
FYI, a couple of
comments already received
verbally...
- Change the name
to "Eclipse Project
for Jakarta Batch" or maybe "Eclipse Project for
Jakarta EE Batch".
The "Eclipse Project for..." prefix is our
"standard"
prefix for Specification and API projects in EE4J,
so that part won't change.
But, changing "Java Batch" to either "Jakarta
Batch"
or "Jakarta EE Batch" looks reasonable.
- We need to expand
on the Scope statement.
The circular reference back to the JSR 352 page
just doesn't cut
it. We need to develop a "timeless" statement
about the
Java Batch technical content and direction.
Thanks!
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Kevin Sutter
STSM, MicroProfile and Java EE architect
e-mail: sutter@xxxxxxxxxx
Twitter: @kwsutter
phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)
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