Why do you not want Jakarta EE to move along at a fast pace? Wasn't
that one of the key reasons for getting out of the JCP?
Emily Jiang wrote on 12/20/18 2:16 PM:
I don't think now is the good time to discuss whether to
change the communities around. MicroProfile is successful and
moves along at a fast pace and we should keep it that way. I
think this original thread is about talks and promotions. If
we want to clarify these and truly show we are two community
and work nicely together, let's change the series title to be
Jakarta EE and MicroProfile talks, as suggested by Kevin
originally and also by Cesar.
I think we are set on that... no confusion.
Thanks
Emily
That is one problem of MicroProfile that it
has not even a clear version scheme because it still is
just one project, so crutches like "mp_config-1.x.x" were
invented because the overall release cycle is just a
single project and the notion of a "platform" or
"umbrella" does not really exist there.
It would be possible under "technlogy", see https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.m2e.m2e-wtp
but while doing so, moving MicroProfile under EE4J seems
like a better option. Especially because the separate
Technology PMC is not that focussed on "Server",
"Enterprise" or "Cloud Native Stuff".
How do we deal with the projects having
different release cadences, different processes, and
the backward-compatibility discrepancy? The topic of
MicroProfile serving as an “incubator” for other
projects has been discussed before. The mission of
MicroProfile may need to be changed if it adopts new
processes.
And although the Spec Committee
mailing list seems private to only the members (if
an archive is visible, please look there,
otherwise it will be discussed in the next calls
and go into the publicly visible minutes) but Mike
mentioned, it is only a matter of time, before
most MicroProfile projects also have to use a more
formal specification process, whether they are
part of a "platform" or not.
Organisationally
I think it is logical for Microprofile
to move under the EE4J top level project
and likely split into multiple
sub-projects under EE4J. Whether apis
then progress to the Jakarta EE spec
process is a further step for each API.
It
is up to the members of the Microprofile
project to instigate this though.
Steve
With currently two different
top level projects, PMCs and steering
committees, and with overlapping (not
just complementing) APIs, we already do
have a concurrency situation. So if
nobody wants then, the correct solution
would be to immediately give up the
Microprofile project and migrate all
their work into Jakarta. If this is what
both steering committees and PMCs want
the community to perceive, then the EF
should consequently do that ASAP. If
not, we should be consequent and
strictly have different communication
channels, too.
-Markus
I
can't find any reason why they should
be kept separate. We're the same
people same community, same
technology. Creating separations just
for the sake of it only risks an "us
and them" attitude. Let's stay above
that! My two cents...
+1
for keeping them separate.
I'd like to vote
for keeping it separated.
-Markus
Amelia is correct
in some regards...
MicroProfile is its own
entity, separate from
Jakarta EE. We have our own
Marketing committee. We
have our own forums, we
produce our own blogs, we
present at conferences,
etc. But, we also need to
recognize that we are part
of the Eclipse Foundation
family. I have witnessed
the support for MicroProfile
by the Eclipse Foundation at
several conferences this
past year. Along with the
Eclipse newsletter, vBlogs,
tweets, keynotes -- Eclipse
Foundation fundamentally
supports the MicroProfile
efforts. As they do with
Jakarta EE.
So, in my opinion,
if these Jakarta Tech Talks
want to include topics
related to MicroProfile, I
think that's great! Maybe a
slight tweak in the name
would help -- Jakarta and
MicroProfile Tech Talks, if
that's doable. Otherwise,
if we have any
MicroProfile-specific talks,
we can indicate that we are
still a separate project as
part of our introduction and
then move into the details.
This should be considered
yet another opportunity for
the MicroProfile team to
spread the word about the
great work we're doing.
Now, with all of
that explanation... If the
Jakarta Community would
rather keep these Jakarta
Tech Talks narrowed to just
the Jakarta EE projects,
then that's fine also. No
hard feelings. But, if we
are invited to participate
in these Tech Talks, let's
do it! Thanks!
---------------------------------------------------
Kevin Sutter
STSM, MicroProfile and Java
EE architect
e-mail: sutter@xxxxxxxxxx
Twitter: @kwsutter
phone: tl-553-3620 (office),
507-253-3620 (office)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter
From: Amelia
Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Jakarta
EE Community <jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 12/18/2018
04:35 PM
Subject: Re:
[jakarta.ee-community]
Jakarta Tech Talks, meetups
starting January 2019 with
Jakarta EE NoSQL
Sent by: jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
Tanja,
Thanks for sending link to
to enable Jakarta Tech Talks
meetup group, just joined!
:)
Thus far 26 Jakartees, lets
participate beautiful
Community.
I noticed MicroProfile being
added to the sessions under
the Jakarta talks. As a
MicroProfiler Co-founder, I
am requesting the immediate
removal from the list today.
As stated in 2018 via many
MicroProfile blogs and
Q&A, the MicroProfile
project will continue to be
its own project, not under
the Jakarta EE Project.
The MicroProfile project
will manage via its
community of volunteers 100%
of all its marketing
initiatives.
Lastly, I will follow up via
the MicroProfile forum
clarification on the latest
Marketing MP call meeting
with respect to that matter
that continues to be brought
in to the calls by the EF
team.
Re-stating via this forum
that the MP project won’t be
marketed with the Jakarta EE
project.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MhFrcfdnmEND0lHzDkMa2TyhhtU90OKgthhGTjpyQ-4/edit#heading=h.5kmut5p0phc6
Happy to clarify any
questions, should that be
necessary,
Amelia Eiras
https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
Tribe:
https://tomitribe.com
https://tribestream.io
OSS: https://tomitribe.io https://microprofile.io
On Dec 17, 2018, at 12:00
PM, Tanja Obradovic <tanja.obradovic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hello Jakarta
community!
I'd like to
give you heads up on the
meetup series we are
preparing and introducing in
January 2019. We named the
session
Jakarta
Tech Talks , and we
plan to meet once a month to
start with and include wide
range of topics related to
Java Cloud Native
technologies.
Please
consider this as an invite
to the first session Jakarta
EE meets NoSQL planned
for January 22nd, 2019 @ 11
AM EST. Refer to the link
above or
here
for dial in details.
Other
sessions we have planed in
the following months are:
James Roper,
Reactive Streams
Kevin Sutter, Eclipse
Project for Java Batch
Emily Jiang, MicroProfile
next version
Markus Karg, JAX-RS
and many
more...
If you have
any suggestions or if you
are interested to
present in one of the
future sessions, please let
me know!
Best Regards,
Tanja
--
Tanja Obradovic
Jakarta EE
Program Manager |
Eclipse
Foundation, Inc.
Twitter:
@TanjaEclipse
Eclipse
Foundation: The Platform
for Open Innovation and
Collaboration
|
This
email has been
checked for viruses
by Avast antivirus
software.
www.avast.com
|
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing
list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To change your delivery
options, retrieve your
password, or unsubscribe
from this list, visit
https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community
mailing list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To change your delivery
options, retrieve your
password, or unsubscribe
from this list, visit
https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing
list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To change your delivery options,
retrieve your password, or
unsubscribe from this list,
visit
https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
--
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To change your delivery options,
retrieve your password, or
unsubscribe from this list, visit
https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To change your delivery options, retrieve your
password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit
https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To change your delivery options, retrieve your
password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit
https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
--
Cesar Saavedra
Senior
Principal Technical Product Marketing Manager
(407)
492-9801
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To change your delivery options, retrieve your password,
or unsubscribe from this list, visit
https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or
unsubscribe from this list, visit
https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
--
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit
https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
|
