| Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Jakarta Tech Talks, meetups starting January 2019 with Jakarta EE NoSQL |
I don't think now is the good time to discuss whether to change the communities around. MicroProfile is successful and moves along at a fast pace and we should keep it that way. I think this original thread is about talks and promotions. If we want to clarify these and truly show we are two community and work nicely together, let's change the series title to be Jakarta EE and MicroProfile talks, as suggested by Kevin originally and also by Cesar.I think we are set on that... no confusion.ThanksEmilyOn Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:35 PM Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:That is one problem of MicroProfile that it has not even a clear version scheme because it still is just one project, so crutches like "mp_config-1.x.x" were invented because the overall release cycle is just a single project and the notion of a "platform" or "umbrella" does not really exist there.It would be possible under "technlogy", see https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.m2e.m2e-wtp but while doing so, moving MicroProfile under EE4J seems like a better option. Especially because the separate Technology PMC is not that focussed on "Server", "Enterprise" or "Cloud Native Stuff".Werner
_______________________________________________On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 6:27 PM Cesar Saavedra <csaavedr@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:How do we deal with the projects having different release cadences, different processes, and the backward-compatibility discrepancy? The topic of MicroProfile serving as an “incubator” for other projects has been discussed before. The mission of MicroProfile may need to be changed if it adopts new processes.--On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 12:08 PM Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:And although the Spec Committee mailing list seems private to only the members (if an archive is visible, please look there, otherwise it will be discussed in the next calls and go into the publicly visible minutes) but Mike mentioned, it is only a matter of time, before most MicroProfile projects also have to use a more formal specification process, whether they are part of a "platform" or not.Werner
_______________________________________________On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 5:55 PM Steve Millidge (Payara) <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:_______________________________________________Organisationally I think it is logical for Microprofile to move under the EE4J top level project and likely split into multiple sub-projects under EE4J. Whether apis then progress to the Jakarta EE spec process is a further step for each API.
It is up to the members of the Microprofile project to instigate this though.
Steve
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Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Jakarta Tech Talks, meetups starting January 2019 with Jakarta EE NoSQL
With currently two different top level projects, PMCs and steering committees, and with overlapping (not just complementing) APIs, we already do have a concurrency situation. So if nobody wants then, the correct solution would be to immediately give up the Microprofile project and migrate all their work into Jakarta. If this is what both steering committees and PMCs want the community to perceive, then the EF should consequently do that ASAP. If not, we should be consequent and strictly have different communication channels, too.
-Markus
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I can't find any reason why they should be kept separate. We're the same people same community, same technology. Creating separations just for the sake of it only risks an "us and them" attitude. Let's stay above that! My two cents...
Ivar
On Thu, 20 Dec 2018, 09:14 Richard Monson-Haefel <rmonson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
+1 for keeping them separate.
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 11:48 AM Markus KARG <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I'd like to vote for keeping it separated.
-Markus
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Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Jakarta Tech Talks, meetups starting January 2019 with Jakarta EE NoSQL
Amelia is correct in some regards... MicroProfile is its own entity, separate from Jakarta EE. We have our own Marketing committee. We have our own forums, we produce our own blogs, we present at conferences, etc. But, we also need to recognize that we are part of the Eclipse Foundation family. I have witnessed the support for MicroProfile by the Eclipse Foundation at several conferences this past year. Along with the Eclipse newsletter, vBlogs, tweets, keynotes -- Eclipse Foundation fundamentally supports the MicroProfile efforts. As they do with Jakarta EE.
So, in my opinion, if these Jakarta Tech Talks want to include topics related to MicroProfile, I think that's great! Maybe a slight tweak in the name would help -- Jakarta and MicroProfile Tech Talks, if that's doable. Otherwise, if we have any MicroProfile-specific talks, we can indicate that we are still a separate project as part of our introduction and then move into the details. This should be considered yet another opportunity for the MicroProfile team to spread the word about the great work we're doing.
Now, with all of that explanation... If the Jakarta Community would rather keep these Jakarta Tech Talks narrowed to just the Jakarta EE projects, then that's fine also. No hard feelings. But, if we are invited to participate in these Tech Talks, let's do it! Thanks!
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From: Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Jakarta EE Community <jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 12/18/2018 04:35 PM
Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Jakarta Tech Talks, meetups starting January 2019 with Jakarta EE NoSQL
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Tanja,
Thanks for sending link to to enable Jakarta Tech Talks meetup group, just joined! :)
Thus far 26 Jakartees, lets participate beautiful Community.
I noticed MicroProfile being added to the sessions under the Jakarta talks. As a MicroProfiler Co-founder, I am requesting the immediate removal from the list today.
As stated in 2018 via many MicroProfile blogs and Q&A, the MicroProfile project will continue to be its own project, not under the Jakarta EE Project.
The MicroProfile project will manage via its community of volunteers 100% of all its marketing initiatives.
Lastly, I will follow up via the MicroProfile forum clarification on the latest Marketing MP call meeting with respect to that matter that continues to be brought in to the calls by the EF team.
Re-stating via this forum that the MP project won’t be marketed with the Jakarta EE project.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1MhFrcfdnmEND0lHzDkMa2TyhhtU90OKgthhGTjpyQ-4/edit#heading=h.5kmut5p0phc6
Happy to clarify any questions, should that be necessary,
Amelia Eiras
https://twitter.com/ameliaeiras
Tribe: https://tomitribe.com https://tribestream.io
OSS: https://tomitribe.io https://microprofile.io
On Dec 17, 2018, at 12:00 PM, Tanja Obradovic <tanja.obradovic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Hello Jakarta community!
I'd like to give you heads up on the meetup series we are preparing and introducing in January 2019. We named the session Jakarta Tech Talks , and we plan to meet once a month to start with and include wide range of topics related to Java Cloud Native technologies.
Please consider this as an invite to the first session Jakarta EE meets NoSQL planned for January 22nd, 2019 @ 11 AM EST. Refer to the link above or here for dial in details.
Other sessions we have planed in the following months are:
James Roper, Reactive Streams
Kevin Sutter, Eclipse Project for Java Batch
Emily Jiang, MicroProfile next version
Markus Karg, JAX-RSand many more...
If you have any suggestions or if you are interested to present in one of the future sessions, please let me know!
Best Regards,
Tanja
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