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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Review BoF EclipseCon (Mike Milinkovich)
2. Re: Review BoF EclipseCon (Wayne Beaton)
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 10:41:37 -0500
From: Mike Milinkovich <mike.milinkovich@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [science-iwg] Review BoF EclipseCon
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On 06/11/2013 5:14 AM, Philip Wenig wrote:
> *B) Which name should we take for a generic 1d - 3d data processing
> and visualization framework?*
> In my opinion, a separate project called "SciSoft" ->
> "org.eclipse.scisoft" would be fine if there are no concerns regarding
> trademarks. IHMO, only "org.eclipse.science" would be a bit too generic.
>
> *C) Shall all participating projects change their plug-in names to
> "org.eclipse.science"?*
> I think no. The Science WG will be (only) the top level project. It
> will be the umbrella for several distinct subprojects. Hence, each
> project shall write an own proposal to migrate its code to the Eclipse
> Foundation. All accepted and migrated projects could then be a part of
> the Science WG, e.g.:
A little Eclipse terminology is needed here:
* "Working groups" don't own projects. Working groups are intended to
be forums for member companies, committers, and invited others work
to complement what is being built in the projects.
* We are starting to see a pattern where we create a top-level project
with the same name as the working group. Examples include Polarsys,
LocationTech, and hopefully soon M2M. It is the top-level project
and its Project Management Committee (PMC) that ties the projects to
the Eclipse Development Process.
I would highly encourage this group to consider replicating how the M2M
folks got started. That is, simply create a number of projects in the
Technology top-level project which is the normal place to start
incubators. Once you have a collection of projects started and running
and everyone is more familiar with the various Eclipse processes you
then create a new top-level project and bring the project community
together. In the meantime, all of the community and cross-project
discussions can happen on the science-iwg list.
Similar to M2M, we should also create a science.eclipse.org landing page
(or whichever name folks get comfortable with) to provide a "home" for
the community. See m2m.eclipse.org as an example.
I hope that helps.
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Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 11:21:06 -0500
From: Wayne Beaton <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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At Eclipse, we assign ids to projects. The ids take the form of
<top-level>.<project>. So we have, for example, projects named
technology.egit, and technology.kura. We also have more deeply nested
projects like modeling.emf.cdo. In general, I tend to discourage that
sort of project nesting primarily because it's just not necessary. The
project id is not widely exposed. It is part of the URL for project
"information pages" (e.g.
http://projects.eclipse.org/project/technology.egit).
The last segment of the id is the short name (e.g. technology.kura's
short name is "kura"); we use that in the Java package and OSGi bundle
names (e.g. org.eclipse.kura). We tackle namespace rules for other
languages as they come up. That name is also used for the project's
optional website (e.g. http://www.eclipse.org/kura) and downloads
directory (e.g. http://download.eclipse.org/kura). I encourage the use
of the short name in wiki page names as well (e.g. "Kura/Getting Started").
Using just the short name in namespaces makes it far less disruptive on
adopters/consumers when a project switches from, say the Technology
top-level project to the new and shiny Science top-level project.
HTH,
Wayne
On 11/05/2013 05:50 PM, Mike Milinkovich wrote:
>
> Before everyone gets too committed to this namespace, let's check with
> Wayne Beaton. My recollection is that the current recommendation is
> that project namespaces be simply org.eclipse.projectname, and not
> include the top-level project.
>
> But Wayne's the guy who knows :)
>
>
> *From: *Jay Jay Billings
> *Sent: *Tuesday, November 5, 2013 5:44 PM
> *To: *Science Industry Working Group
> *Reply To: *Science Industry Working Group
> *Subject: *Re: [science-iwg] Review BoF EclipseCon
>
>
> +1 from me too for org.eclipse.science.
>
> Jay
>
> On Nov 5, 2013 4:44 PM, "UOMo" <uomo@xxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:uomo@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>
> Just to add, I also feel OK with the package hierarchy suggestions
> other than the name of the project top level;-)
>
> Werner
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:45 PM, <science-iwg-request@xxxxxxxxxxx
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> Hi All,
>
> +1 for org.eclipse.science.*, just because it's nice and
> generic and
> probably un-trademark-able.
>
> Other than that I like Matt & Philip's suggestions.
>
> Cheers,
> Stephan
> --
> Stephan Druskat
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>
>
> Zitat von UOMo <uomo@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:uomo@xxxxxxxxxxx>>:
>
> > Just saw, Scisoft or the ESO (EU Observatory) software
> artifact is even
> > called "eclipse", too,
> http://www.eso.org/sci/software/eclipse/ for obvious
> > reasons, it deals with Solar or Lunar Eclipse observation,
> there is no
> > evidence of Eclipse software being used, but that makes the
> combination of
> > "eclipse" and "scisoft" even more irritating.
> >
> > Especiallly that looks like a very professional and
> well-established
> > project, even if there may not be a trademark.
> >
> > Werner
>
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