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Re: [papyrus-rt-dev] Papyrus-RT v0.8 installer and RCP
I'm pushed change 83730 with changes to the website in preparation for the release. Comments are welcome.

I made some assumptions about where the RCPs and installers will be located, and I copied the current ones there:

* RCPs under http://download.eclipse.org/papyrus-rt/rcp/releases/neon/0.8.0/

* Installers under http://download.eclipse.org/papyrus-rt/installer/updates/releases/

@Christian: For the installers, I just copied the ones I found under installer/updates/nightly, but I assume those are not the final ones, are they?

Let me know if I should put the files in some other locations.

--
Ernesto Posse
Zeligsoft





On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 4:10 PM Christian Damus <give.a.damus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
💯

cW


On October 21, 2016 at 14:23:03, charles+zeligsoft.com (charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:

In summary,

For the user: we need to prepare the Papyrus-RT download page (maybe by stealing from and modifying Papyrus’s ;-) and wait to know the  download.eclipse.org path to the Papyrus-RT RCPs.

For the advanced user, modify the wiki pages to instruct them to download and use the Papyrus Installer from the location you previously provided.

For the tester, nothing to be done as everything is already in place for those who already used the Eclipse Installer. For those who haven’t (and for completeness) Modify the wiki pages provide (and recommend>) a link to the Papyrus Installer from the location you previously provided.

Am I getting closer?

/Charles

Oh… plus some less relevant comments inline below...

On 2016.10.21, at 12:07 , Christian Damus <give.a.damus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi, Charles,

See some replies in-line, below.

cW

On 21 October, 2016 at 12:00:48, charles+zeligsoft.com (charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:

OK. So then I am confused about your previous answer.


Welcome to release engineering.  😉 



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 Thanks for the welcome mat!
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Just to be clear about what I would like for the release:

  1. An RCP download for the current milestone release on the Papyrus-RT external Eclipse project page for general users.
  2. An installer for more advanced users that will permit them to better control what is installed in the current (or a previous) milestone (but not nightly), including bringing in other Eclipse projects.
  3. An installer for testers enabling them to install the current or previous milestones that brings in the nightly builds (or “validated intermediate builds” if we decide to provide them) along with the level of control provided in #2 above.

For #1, on the Papyrus-RT external Eclipse project's download page, there would be links for the RCP, similar to those of the Papyrus Downloads page. So for Papyrus-RT, what I was really after, is where would Céline’s RCP files be located so that a link can be provided? From your previous answer I understand that it would not be the locations provided by Céline in here response.


An RCP release must be hosted on download.eclipse.org in a directory that will be included by Eclipse’s many world-wide mirrors.  So, right, the Hudson build archive is not the place.


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 I actually knew this… Where is that coffee?
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For the more advanced users of #2, who can handle more options, we would modify the existing wiki page with the correct instructions for using what you are providing. I would hope that this would also be only for milestones as I do not want this category of users to have access to nightly builds.


Once we have milestone builds, we can add those to the papyrus-rt.setup, sure.  That will have no impact on the actual installer software.


For #3, what do we provide for testers that need nightly builds? Are we keeping the current tester instructions with an updated setup file?


There is no changed needed for this.  Working with the tester setup in the Papyrus-RT Installer is exactly the same as in the Eclipse Installer.  In fact, if you already have been using the tester setup, then the Papyrus-RT Installer will see it out of the box and you can continue using it there, in addition to the catalogue of Papyrus-RT Product releases that the new installer will provide.


And more importantly, what is possible in the time remaining for the 0.8 release and what can we provide after the fact?

My priority for the three approaches match their current order, with #1 is the most needed one, followed by #2. Given we are just starting v0.9, we have some time to provide #3.

/Charles
On 2016.10.21, at 11:29 , Christian Damus <give.a.damus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi, Charles,

These two bugs are completely independent.
The Papyrus-RT RCP is the all-in-one download-unzip-and-go package that is the easiest path for users from nothing to drawing UML-RT models.

The Papyrus-RT Installer provides the nice Oomph installer experience of installation management with bundle pooling, workspace management, and all the rest, focusing the software available for installation on the Papyrus-RT product only.  What it does is effectively to re-create, on-demand, any release version of the Papyrus-RT RCP on the user’s local machine.  In addition, for advanced/bleeding-edge users, it supports dropping in any old setup model like the “tester setup” to install and work with alternative Papyrus-RT configurations.  Is the Swiss Army knife of Papyrus-RT distribution.

Cheers,

Christian

On 21 October, 2016 at 11:22:54, charles+zeligsoft.com (charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:

OK. So now I’m confused (I’m starting to channel Peter since he’s away ;-)…

We have two bugs opened:

Yours: 506005  Papyrus-RT Custom Installer
Céline’s: 505416  [RCP and Product] List of missing requirement for the RCP Product 

Are they then both the same thing? Or two aspects of the same thing? Or just related in some way? Or completely different?

I was under the impression that yours 506005 was something temporary until the (true?) RCP (505416) was finally available (post 0.8 it seemed)… But your last email seems to indicate that they are one and the same.

I must be misunderstanding a few things here.

But in the end, the Papyrus-RT product goal is for the end user to download a single file that installs a milestone version of Papyrus-RT with no or limited interventions from the use (ideally: download, extract, install, and run).

/Charles



On 2016.10.21, at 10:13 , Christian Damus <give.a.damus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi, Charles,

Not quite.  The distinction between tester and end-user configurations of the Papyrus-RT product is in the Oomph setup index, not in the installer.  It would be best for all users to use the latest “release” of the installer, but I cannot say when that will be available because it depends on the Oomph team’s release schedule.  So, for now, everyone needs to use the nightly installer and whatever installer one does use will be pointed at the same Oomph setup index containing only our Papyrus-RT product releases.

For testers, they can continue to use the papyrus-rt-tester.setup model in ad hoc fashion as they always have.  The procedure does not change; the Papyrus-RT Installer supports the “user products” in the same fashion as the Eclipse Installer.

Cheers,

Christian

On 21 October, 2016 at 10:08:05, charles+zeligsoft.com (charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:

Thanks Christian!

Yes, it does H (;-)

So when we release, we will publish links on the wiki pointing to each OS-specific installer's compressed archive file using the first location for testers and the second location for users.

Correct?

/Charles

 
On 2016.10.21, at 09:20 , Christian Damus <give.a.damus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi, Charles,
The installer is produced by the Papyrus-RT-Installer build.  It isn’t streamed (master/neon/oxygen/etc.) because there is one installer that will make all releases ever in the history of Papyrus-RT available.

But the better place to get the installer is from the download server:
Note that there hasn’t yet been a release build of the installer because the Oomph framework on which it is based has not yet been released.

HTH,

Christian


On 21 October, 2016 at 09:17:32, charles+zeligsoft.com (charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:

I had a look at the Hudson Dashboards and there are _lots_ of build. I can’t and won’t comment on the number of builds in itself.

What I would like to know is, which of these builds will give me Christian’s Papyrus-RT Installer and which one will give me Céline’s RCP?

Thank I can start testing more seriously...

Thanks!

/Charles
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