Re: [mdt-papyrus.dev] New version of Papyrus : 0.7M3

[Kenn Hussey <kenn.hussey@xxxxxxxxx>]

Raphael,

The only guarantee of backward compatibility for Eclipse projects is
between releases (not milestones), so there should be nothing to
explain. ;)

Cheers,

Kenn


On 11/18/09, Raphael FAUDOU <raphael.faudou@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> well, we can always change decision into a new one if it appears that this
> was an error.
> If we apply the "Eclipse Way" with early milestones, we just expose the
> community to format changes including DI, API changes, architecture
> refactoring and regressions between milestones.
> If it is very clear for all project members that there will be no
> additionnal validation efforts nor migration guides nor specific
> documentation to explain changes from one version to another, I can
> certainly agree with Tom and Fransisco.
> Are you ready to explain that to the MDT papyrus community now and as soon
> as there will be complaints about non ascending compatibility?
> cheers
> raphaël
>
>
> Kenn Hussey a écrit :
>>
>> But this is not "The Eclipse Way" of doing things. :(
>>
>> Kenn
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Raphael FAUDOU
>> <raphael.faudou@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> No, this is not what we decided.
>>> The foundations of papyrus are not yet finalized (encapsulation of
>>> resources, DI format to address control command, full profile support...)
>>> and we do not want to cope with migrating user models.
>>> To avoid the frustration of models that can not be open in the next
>>> milestone, and to avoid to get 100 bugs posted on things that are not
>>> completely implemented or that changed we decided to limit the
>>> communication about those milestones.
>>> Hope it is clearer now
>>> raphaël
>>>
>>> Francisco Javier Cano a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> +1 for the comment that Tom makes about making the releases open to the
>>>> public as soon as possible.
>>>>
>>>> As he says, as long as these releases are labeled so that potential
>>>> users know the release is not a final or stable release  they should
>>>> know what to expect.
>>>> Furthermore, the sooner the product is shown to the public the more
>>>> people that will be attracted  to it, be it users or additional
>>>> contributors.
>>>>
>>>> I think that, with proper labeling and warnings, Papyrus can be shown to
>>>> the public.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Javier Cano
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tom Morris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Salut Raphäel et Thibault,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the replies.  I think as long as the builds are
>>>>> appropriately labeled (e.g. "development build" or something similar),
>>>>> you've warned potential users/testers/developers what to expect.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recognize this is a decision that only the team can make, but I'd
>>>>> encourage you to consider publishing development baselevels on
>>>>> eclipse.org as soon as feasible -- perhaps sooner than you feel 100%
>>>>> comfortable with.  The earlier you start expanding the circle of
>>>>> people exposed to the product, the stronger the end result will be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> 2009/11/16 Thibault LANDRE <thibault.landre@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you are right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is just the fact we don't think that Papyrus is mature enough to be
>>>>>> used
>>>>>> in a project yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, the development is done in the open, and the site I mentionned
>>>>>> doesn't have any restriction access.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thibault
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Morris a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2009/11/13 Thibault LANDRE <thibault.landre@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the 0.7M3 of Papyrus is produced.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is available here.
>>>>>>>> I remind that it is a non public version :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't understand this reference.  I thought Eclipse development was
>>>>>>> done in the open.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tom
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