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Re: [ecd-pmc] PMC +1
The Eclipse IT Team are the only ones who have the necessary authority to approve this issue.

I'll respond further this afternoon.

Wayne

On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 9:15 AM Scott Davidson <scott.davidson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi all

I'm still waiting on Nedelcho or anyone from Eclipse to update this issue stating that it is OK to create a repository for us.    


Can someone please unblock us?

Thanks
Scott

On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 8:10 AM Scott Davidson <scott.davidson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Wayne.

I have not had any conversations with anyone from Eclipse outside this thread but I have only communicated with the distribution list so I'm guessing that you are asking others from Eclipse this question?  

The team in question is wrapping up a release (different team from the one that was waiting on Maven access).  But the plan has not changed, they still plan on proceeding with smaller commits fairly soon.  

Scott.

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 5:09 PM Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Has there been further discussion outside of this thread?

I would like an update on when the team will move forward in implementing the Eclipse Foundation Development Process as agreed to when this Eclipse open source project was created and every single individual committer agreement was signed.

Has any actual progress been made? Do you have a plan or a timeline?

Wayne

On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 9:38 AM Nedelcho Delchev <delchevn@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
+1

Please, go forward as discussed.

Regards,
Nedelcho

On 17 Oct 2023, at 16:15, Scott Davidson via ecd-pmc <ecd-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi All

I'd like to get an expectation on when we might be considered for an exception.  We are waiting on Maven access in order to put out the next release of one of our extensions.  So I'd like to give the team an update on when they might be able to move forward.  

Thanks in advance.

Scott.

On Fri, Oct 6, 2023 at 7:21 AM Scott Davidson <scott.davidson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Wayne

Copying Alex here as he's the manager I've been working with.  There were no formal notes at the retro, but the summary I gave you is the summary that he took from that meeting.  

The challenges that the team is working with is balancing working in an open way while adhering to internal Broadcom policies.  For instance code reviews for these updates that integrate with proprietary products.  It isn't so much determining what practices they consider optional, but working around the practices that are not optional.  

We started down this path originally because Milan Melisik was put up for a vote on becoming a committer.  Making him a committer would actually help some here.  I had thought that was resolved, but apparently he still doesn't have that status. 

Scott



On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 5:53 PM Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Please share the notes from that retrospective. This would be a tangible demonstration that the team is able to at least nominally work in a transparent manner.

What specifically do the team intend to try?

What practices do the team believe are subject to choice (that is what practices are considered optional)?

Wayne

On Thu, Oct 5, 2023 at 3:09 PM Scott Davidson <scott.davidson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi All

As Wayne recommended, I would like to ask for an exemption from the PMC.  I've had a few conversations with individual team members and several with their management and here is what we have come up with as an interim solution.  

The team had a retrospective specifically on this subject and they came up with several ideas on how to change the way they do things.  They see positives and negatives to each of them and would like to actually try each of them internally before choosing one (or a combination).  They work in 2 week sprints and would like to finish the current iteration before starting this (~3 weeks from now).  So I expect the first attempt to start in about 3 weeks.  Hopefully we will be able to see some smaller changes starting to flow to the repository some time after that, as opposed to the monolithic commits that we are seeing now.  I believe that they have more than 2 things they want to try, so I wouldn't expect a quick transition and the commit patterns are likely to vary during this time.  

Please let me know if you have any questions.  

Thanks,
Scott.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 3:25 PM Scott Davidson <scott.davidson@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks for the update Wayne.  My comments were based in Maria saying that 'we can declare success on this progress review once we get PMC +1.'    I made an assumption.  

I'm not the person that has been working with the team towards improving in this area.  But I do know those efforts are happening, both within the team and at the management level.  Let me touch base with the relevant people and reply to this thread once I have something more tangible and something that resembles a plan.  

Thanks for the quick and helpful response!

Scott.

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 3:19 PM Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Scott.

Clarification: The EMO does not approve a review until after we receive +1 from the PMC. The EMO has completed an IP review and believes that the project conforms to the Eclipse Foundation's IP Policy.

The sticking point is that the project is not, AFAICT, operating according to the EDP. While I will not speak for the PMC, I believe that you should be asking them to grant an exception. For that I recommend that you provide some sort of tangible demonstration (e.g., a plan with dates) that the project team is moving to rectify this situation.

Wayne

On Mon, Oct 2, 2023 at 2:46 PM Scott Davidson via ecd-pmc <ecd-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello

The project that I am a project lead for, Che4z, https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ecd.che.che4zrecently went for a progress review.  We were overdue for one and this was our first review for this project.  


As you can see, after a little back and forth, the project passed the review.  We are now awaiting +1 from the PMC.  I'd like some guidance on what we are waiting on.  Wayne Beaton suggested that I email this list to see what specific steps that we can take to get final approval.  

Thanks for looking into this,

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Broadcom Software
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100 Baylis Rd  | Melville, NY 11747
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Broadcom Software
office: 631.533.8407  | mobile: 631.708.6387
100 Baylis Rd  | Melville, NY 11747
scott.davidson@xxxxxxxxxxxx   | broadcom.com



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Scott Davidson
Sr. Principal Architect  | Mainframe Software Division
Broadcom Software
office: 631.533.8407  | mobile: 631.708.6387
100 Baylis Rd  | Melville, NY 11747
scott.davidson@xxxxxxxxxxxx   | broadcom.com


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Broadcom Software
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100 Baylis Rd  | Melville, NY 11747
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Sr. Principal Architect  | Mainframe Software Division
Broadcom Software
office: 631.533.8407  | mobile: 631.708.6387
100 Baylis Rd  | Melville, NY 11747
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