Re: [che-dev] The future of Docker Infrastructure

[Dave Neary <dneary@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Brian et al,

I have added the status of Docker support to the agenda for the Che
developer meeting on Monday at 8am PST:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18nHnwL6X6RfV_raC4HEWFAxSqk_nnf8HbfF7axuaY7k/edit#

You can find more ifnormation about the call including details on how to
join here: https://github.com/eclipse/che/wiki/Che-Dev-Meetings

I think it would be good to share what Red Hat's plans are in this area,
why we have decided not to focus on maintaining Che support in the
future, and to identify community users who rely on this.

I would like to have a discussion on what is involved in maintaining
support for Docker in terms of effort, and identify whether there are
community members who are interested in seeing support continue who can
help spend the time to keep this working.

Thanks,
Dave.

On 11/06/2018 04:28 AM, Mario wrote:
> Hi Brian,
> 
> Yes of course. Everything about Che development should stay on this
> mailing list. As well as on other channels: mattermost and the community
> call that happen every two weeks.
> 
> Another thing worth mentioning is that the source code for all
> infrastructures support is and will stay on the same GitHub repository
> (eclipse/che).
> 
> Mario
> 
> Il giorno mar 6 nov 2018, 08:58 Brian Dube <brian@xxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:brian@xxxxxxxxxxx>> ha scritto:
> 
>     Hi Mario,
> 
>     Thanks for this update. Will discussions for Docker support stay on
>     this mailing list or will they eventually transition elsewhere? I
>     guess I have the same question for code repositories and other
>     infrastructure, too.
> 
>     Brian
> 
>     On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 11:00 PM Mario <mario.loriedo@xxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:mario.loriedo@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>         Hello all,
> 
> 
>         ## Focusing on Kubernetes
> 
>         We currently support deploying Che on Docker, Kubernetes and
>         OpenShift. Considered that Kubernetes and OpenShift are more
>         suited to run Che in production, that kube popularity has
>         skyrocketed in the last couple of years and that supporting both
>         Kubernetes and Docker infrastructures is resource consuming, we
>         (Red Hat) are considering progressively disengaging on
>         maintaining Docker based Che. In particular we will stop
>         maintaining it with the release of Che 7 that will happen in
>         first half of 2019.
> 
> 
>         ## What will happen to Docker infrastructure?
> 
>         Our engineers have worked hard to build the current Che Docker
>         infrastructure and Docker may still be an interesting platform
>         for deploying Che. So, even if Red Hat will focus on
>         Kubernetes/OpenShift, we are looking for some contributors or
>         organizations that would be interested in taking over this
>         responsibility. We would be more than happy to work with whoever
>         want to maintain Docker infrastructure to make the transition
>         possible.
> 
> 
>         ## What does maintaining the Docker infrastructure mean?
> 
>         Maintainers should consider at least the following tasks:
> 
>           *
> 
>             In the short term: implementing Che 7 newest abstractions
>             (plugin, editor, broker, jwt proxy)
> 
>           *
> 
>             In the longer term: running the CI to test Docker infrastructure
> 
>           *
> 
>             Recurring: updating the Docker client to support newer
>             versions of the Docker API
> 
> 
>         Mario
> 
> 
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