Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [DISCUSS] Include Jakarta MVC in EE 11

[Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxx>]

Actually before adding something new to the Web Profile, couldn't we
deslag it first by removing:

• Jakarta Debugging Support for Other Languages 2.0
• Jakarta Interceptors 2.1*
• Jakarta Persistence 3.1*
• Jakarta Transactions 2.0

and maybe

• Jakarta Enterprise Beans 4.0 Lite?

I know that might sound harsh, but if a web application uses a NoSQL
database or a different form of persistence, why does it have to bother
with JPA or Transactions?

And especially to those who claim they know what their customers want,
when was the last time you heard they needed Jakarta Interceptors or
Debugging Support for Other Languages?

Werner

On 14.07.2023 18:10, Scott Stark via jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
> Ok, I see, that was not my take on the conversation.
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 12:09 PM Ivar Grimstad via
> jakartaee-platform-dev <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > That argument doesn't really hold up. The breaking change would be between 2.1 and 3.0, i.e. before it is a part of the platform.
> > The suggestion is to add MVC 3.0 to Jakarta EE 11, which is after the breaking change was made.
> >
> > Ivar
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 7:26 PM Scott Stark via jakartaee-platform-dev <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Given that we just voted on allowing backwards incompatible changes in
> > > 3.0 without an intervening release based on the fact that MVC would
> > > not be in the platform, this discussion seems to be a non-starter.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 9:09 PM Edward Burns via
> > > jakartaee-platform-dev <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > Hello Platform Dev,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have attempted to capture prior discussion about this topic from the following sources:
> > > >
> > > > Agendas: Previous agenda google docs
> > > >
> > > > 2023
> > > >
> > > > Monthly
> > > > Regular
> > > >
> > > > 2022
> > > > 2021
> > > > 2020
> > > >
> > > > GitHub Issue: The corresponding issue in https://github.com/jakartaee/jakartaee-platform/issues.
> > > > Platform-dev Archive: Any mails on the archive at https://accounts.eclipse.org/mailing-list/jakartaee-platform-dev.
> > > >
> > > > Agendas
> > > >
> > > > ·
> > > >
> > > > o   Jakarta MVC
> > > >
> > > > §  Inclusion history
> > > >
> > > > ·        Only one impl? But the one impl is designed to be cross-runtime already (Rest Easy or Jersey).
> > > >
> > > > ·        Nobody is using it?
> > > >
> > > > ·        Nobody is requesting it?
> > > >
> > > > o   One implementation (Eclipse Krazo) that comes in two flavors: RESTEasy and Jersey
> > > >
> > > > §  TCK passes on GlassFish, WildFly and Open Liberty
> > > >
> > > > o   Spec is mature currently 2.1, ready for EE 11?
> > > >
> > > > o   Good lightweight complement to Jakarta Faces
> > > >
> > > > o   Builds on Jakarta REST
> > > >
> > > > o   A 3.0 is planned in the EE 11 timeframe
> > > >
> > > > Jakarta MVC 2.1 will not be added to the Web Profile for Jakarta EE 10
> > > >
> > > > ·
> > > >
> > > > §  MVC - lazy loading, partial page load
> > > >
> > > > https://ci.eclipse.org/mvc/
> > > >
> > > > GitHub Issue https://github.com/jakartaee/jakartaee-platform/issues/661
> > > >
> > > > There is no discussion in the GitHub issue
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Platform Dev archive: https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg02520.html
> > > >
> > > >
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