Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Thoughts on JakartaEE

[Werner Keil <werner.keil@xxxxxxxxx>]

Emily / all,

The "Microprofile vs. Spring Boot" comparison at JCON is German, but looks quite good. Especially because it is by an independent company neither affiliated with Red Hat, IBM or Pivotal.

I don't know which days you are at  JVM-Con in Cologne, because they have a different topic there on the first day, your workshop is on the last, but they are based there and maybe you might be there more than one day?

Werner 

Emily Jiang <emijiang6@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> schrieb am Do., 26. Sep. 2019, 13:08:

Thank you Heiko for sharing your thoughts! Your comments are spot on!

I'm not sure I understand the need to constantly compare to Spring but when I see https://www.slideshare.net/EmilyJiang3/cloud-native-programming-model-comparison, there is a bunch of inappropriate comparisons or borderline wrong facts given. What's the end goal ? Inferring MP is a better Spring ? Fair enough but play on the unique MP strengths, not the features that have been commoditized for years now.or anywhere when I talk about MicroProfile. The aim is to teach developers the counterpart technology if they know one already. I tried to present a fair comparison. If you think any comments are unfair, let work together offline to fix the error. Just to stress: I have no intention to devalue Spring and promote MicroProfile. I merely act as an educator.

Stephane, I was constantly asked at conferences the same question: What is the difference between Spring and MicroProfile. As a consequence, I created these slides to share. The comparison was based on an experiment of converting blue computing microservices from Spring to MicroProfile. The comparison serves the purpose of educating the counterpart technology if he/she knows the other one already, as commented by Heiko. For an instance, it is much easier to educate people about '@Inject' if someone knows '@Autowired'.

One thing I want to stress: I have no intention to devalue Spring in order to promote MicroProfile with false information. If any info listed on my slides are not right, I am happy to discuss further with you offline to settle the confusion.

Thanks

Emily

On Thu, Sep 26, 2019 at 9:12 AM Heiko W. Rupp <hrupp@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 25 Sep 2019, at 23:59, Stephane Maldini wrote:

> https://www.slideshare.net/EmilyJiang3/cloud-native-programming-model-comparison,
> there is a bunch of inappropriate comparisons or borderline wrong
> facts given. What's the end goal ? Inferring MP is a

I don't speak for Emily of course, but I guess she did not put in errors
on purpose. So perhaps help her fix that.

Comparing to/with Spring is certainly attractive in the sense that a
lot of folks know Spring and its terminology and product/project
names. So just showing MP-foo may not tell a lot to folks, but if
you say MP-foo is a bit like Spring-frobnitz, then they can more
easily understand what MP-foo is about (if they know about
Spring-frobnitz).

I agree with you that more marketing the strength of MP-foo
may be the better approach.

And then the question is: how to you get people interested in
MicroProfile at all (" but we already use Cobol, so why should we
use MicroProfile?" )

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