| Re: [andmore-dev] Fwd: [cross-project-issues-dev] State intent early (M4) |
Hi,
As I can see we are going into the direction of dropping out of the Simultaneous Release. I will wait one more day for comments and, if no objections, I will announce this tomorrow to the cross projects mailing list.
Kaloyan
On 12/19/2016 05:28 PM, David Carver wrote:
Right now I'm leaning toward what Doug is suggesting. The problem is that Eclipse has always been driven by the need of it's members. It is what drives the development, drives the resources in a lot of cases behind projects, and drives projects moving forward.
The goal for me to bring Andmore to Eclipse was to try and give it a reasonable chance to survive and grow naturally on it's own. I stated that it was going to be the community that formed around it that would make it succeed or not. My own time is limited and it was the hope that companies like Red Hat (just using them as an example) that have a vested interest in mobile development would jump in to continue the development.
With that said, we are still looking for people to actively contribute and keep the project going forward, but it requires a community that wants it and needs it badly enough to make it happen.
Dave
On 12/16/16 4:50 PM, Doug Schaefer wrote:
Thanks Kaloyan for bringing this up. There was a lot of hope that if you make it open and at Eclipse, people would jump to help out. That clearly hasn't happened. And the longer that doesn't happen, the farther behind Andmore gets.
It saddens me dearly as I hold Andmore as my "canary in the coal mine". Eclipse projects across the Tools spectrum are struggling to maintain their communities. Andmore should have been a natural if users really wanted to use Eclipse for their app development. We really need to know why that is apparently not true and where we go from here.
But for now, I'd suggest not put it in Oxygen. The only way we'll know if anyone is out there who cares is to take it away from them. Maybe then they jump in to help. And if not, we'll know our answer.
Doug(sorry to be so gloomy, but been thinking this for quite a while and am working on ways to revitalize our tools ecosystem, even potentially reboot it).
On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 8:50 AM, Kaloyan Raev <kaloyan.r@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi gang,
I just want to check if we still want to have Andmore in the Eclipse Simultaneous Release?
I haven't see much development in the last months, so I am a little bit worried about it.
If we still want to keep it in, do we have some sort of plan what we want to achieve for Oxygen?
Thanks,
Kaloyan
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Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] State intent early (M4) Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 11:19:08 -0500 From: Wayne Beaton <wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@ecli pse.org> Organization: The Eclipse Foundation To: Cross project issues <cross-project-issues-dev@ecli pse.org>
Many projects have not yet announced their intention to participate (or not) in the Oxygen Simultaneous release.
The deadline is approaching. For our Oxygen release, that's Friday, December 16/2016.
Part of the reason why we require that project teams explicitly opt-in by M4 is to ensure that project teams are paying attention to the communication channel. It's also a quick reminder for everybody in the community to take a quick look at your plans to make sure that they identify potential challenges they may face working with you.
Please take a quick look at the release participation page [1]. Please also take a quick look at the "details" page [2].
The details page shows the "summary" from the description that you've provided in your release record; this is the first place that we'll look for ideas regarding what we'll include in our press (and discussions with analysts) about the release. Please try to provide a short executive summary style paragraph at the beginning of your description (e.g. something that I can say when I'm taking to people about your project; it's hard to say a list of bullets): give people a reason to want to find out more about your project.
If your project does not appear on the participation page, please first ensure that you've created a release record for Oxygen (with a reasonable description), and then send a note to this channel with a pointer to that release record and an indication of your project's offset in the build. There's more information in the wiki [3] (while you're there, please take a couple of minutes to scan the rest of the participation requirements document).
I did scan through the mailing list archives, and I'm pretty sure that I've recorded all of the announcements made there. If I've missed you, please accept my humble apologies and then restate.
Thanks,
Wayne
[1] https://projects.eclipse.org/r
eleases/oxygen [2] https://projects.eclipse.org/r
eleases/oxygen/details [3] https://wiki.eclipse.org/SimRe
l/Simultaneous_Release_Require ments#State_intent_early_. 28M4.29
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