Re: [platform-dev] [ide-dev] Article highlighting strengths of Eclipse I

[Peter Kriens <peter.kriens@xxxxxxxxx>]

Although they have to remove Eclipse from my dead cold hands we should not forget that there is a very serious problem reported in this blog: we’re often way too late with supporting new technologies and lack the sophistication of IDEA in handling new languages or features. (I.e. notice the many small misfits in autocompletion with generics.) And, not mentioned, the abysmal state of many third party plugins. Of which there are so many it is sometimes hard to find a working one.

Now, I would have no problem paying for Eclipse $200-$500 a year if this translated in aggressively competing with Intellij. After all, I spent most of my working life behind an Eclipse screen. You only need 15000 of those users out of 10 million (?) to double the Eclipse budget. Now I do not feel like donating that kind of money to the foundation without knowing that it is really spent on coding. Because it is open source I can get away with this selfish behavior. 

I think we’re reaching the end of what you can achieve with open source, a lot of cool but slightly unfinished products, especially when non functional aspects like GUIs are concerned. The finishing touch that Eclipse had (and in many features still visible from 20 years ago) was reduced when IBM dropped their translations and other hard unglamorous work needed to make a commercial product.

This will not get better on its own. If we want to compete, maybe Eclipse Foundation can open a Commercial Plugin Shop with proper safeguards against pirating? Open a crowd funding model for plugins and shame users into supporting plugin projects? I think we need some fresh thinking because IDEA is a formidable force.

Although there are many things to hate in Eclipse it will take a long time before I go to the dark themed side with ugly typography. 

	Peter Kriens



> On 15 Nov 2017, at 11:20, Lars Vogel <lars.vogel@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mickael, (cross posting to platform),
> 
> thanks for sharing these good news. I share also the impression,
> whenever I use IJ (Android Studio), I'm surprised how slow it is and
> how many UI freezes I get. I tend to use at least one code editor on
> the side, to be able to continue to work while Gradle is syncing and
> IJ is building its index.
> 
> I also would like to thank the whole platform team for working on
> startup time, stability and performance issues in Eclipse. I'm also
> very excited that the team continues to work on small and big
> performance enhancements.
> 
> Best regards, Lars
> 
> On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Mickael Istria <mistria@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Once in a while, it's cool to read some positive feedback about Eclipse IDE,
>> and realize what users do perceive as strengths of our favorite IDE over
>> competitors.
>> Here is a set:
>> https://techblog.bozho.net/still-prefer-eclipse-intellij-idea/ .
>> 
>> This article blog post was dispatched on various sites (dzone, java code
>> geek...) and the various "copies" are still widely spread on Twitter. So it
>> has some good visibility, and it's nice to see users having so much
>> efficiency at spreading so well good messages about Eclipse IDE.
>> 
>> The actual reasons are quite interesting. While some (Auto-Build,
>> Multi-project workspace...) are very good design decisions taken early in
>> the design of the IDE, and some others (Search in Console) are very good
>> features that are also old ones, I'd like to emphasize the it seems to this
>> user that *Eclipse IDE comsumes less memory and is more reactive than IJ*.
>> And this is a kind of new-ish comment: a couple of years ago, people were
>> claiming they left Eclipse IDE because of resource consumption and various
>> freezes! A few similar comments can be found on Twitter from time to time
>> (people missing good old Eclipse IDE + ADT which was performing better and
>> Android Studio). If more and more users have this feeling of Eclipse IDE
>> performing better than IJ, I believe that it would be an important positive
>> step if the perception of Eclipse IDE on this market.
>> So for this one, I think we can congratulate all contributors for their
>> efforts regarding performance; and more particularly, a special congrats to
>> everyone involved in the set up of AERI which allowed to easily detect and
>> fix many bugs or code-freezes in the last year. Comments about Eclipse IDE
>> being more reactive are IMO a direct consequence of setting up AERI and
>> UI-Freeze monitoring. So big thanks to the ones who actually made it happen!
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Mickael Istria
>> Eclipse IDE developer, at Red Hat Developers community
>> Elected Committer Representative at the Eclipse Foundation board of
>> directors
>> 
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