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[Mark Thomas <markt@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 27/05/2020 14:17, arjan tijms wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'd prefer option 2, but could live with 3 as well.

+1. That works for me.

Note that I consider option 4 to be unworkable.

Mark
 
> 
> Kind regards,
> Arjan Tijms
> 
> On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 3:01 PM Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> 
>     Thanks, Mark!  So, it seems that the content from Bill's post [1]
>     about release qualifiers (-b, -m, and -rc) didn't make it to the
>     wiki [2].  Bill was asking for some input before presenting it to
>     the PMC for "blessing" and then merged into the wiki.
> 
>     Very few replies to the request.  One reply didn't like letters in
>     the version identifiers at all.  The other replies seemed to like
>     uppercase qualifiers (-B, -M, and -RC), while one outlier (me) even
>     suggested mixed case usage (-b, -M, and -RC).  Crazy talk.
> 
>     I think we need these release qualifiers in some format to allow for
>     build, milestone, or release candidate designations.  So, let's just
>     start an informal poll.  We have a PMC meeting next Tuesday, so I
>     can present the results to the PMC at that meeting and get the wiki
>     updated appropriately.  Thanks!
> 
>     Vote for one of the following:
>     1) -b, -m, -rc
>     2) -B, -M, -RC
>     3) -b, -M, -RC
>     4) do not allow release qualifiers in the version identifier
>     5) other, please specify
> 
> 
>     [1] https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg01353.html
>     [2] https://wiki.eclipse.org/JakartaEE_Maven_Versioning_Rules
> 
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------
>     Kevin Sutter
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> 
> 
>     From:        Mark Thomas <markt@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:markt@xxxxxxxxxx>>
>     To:        jakartaee-spec-project-leads@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-spec-project-leads@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>     Date:        05/27/2020 03:05
>     Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakartaee-spec-project-leads] How to
>     recognize the latest version of artifacts in central?
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> 
> 
> 
>     On 27/05/2020 03:17, Kevin Sutter wrote:
>     > Right, Hussain, which is why we should not be using the dot notation
>     > when specifying the Mn or RCn artifacts in Maven.  The dash notation for
>     > Mn or RCn artifacts allows the proper parsing and comparisons.  I know
>     > we discussed this back when we were were creating the "Milestone or RC"
>     > API artifacts, but it must not be documented very well... 
> 
>     It is documented but that documentation [1] came after the questions
>     about how to do the EL release [2] and, I suspect, was as a result of
>     the discussion [3], [4] around that and related releases.
> 
>     We are where we are and we can't undo publish stuff from Maven Central.
> 
>     I've done a quick check with
>     org.apache.maven.artifact.versioning.ComparableVersion and this should
>     be fixed once we have a 4.0.0 release.
> 
>     Mark
> 
> 
>     [1]
>     https://www.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg01353.html
> 
>     [2]
>     https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-spec-project-leads/msg00342.html
> 
>     [3] https://www.eclipse.org/lists/servlet-dev/msg00108.html
> 
>     [4]
>     https://www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-spec-project-leads/msg00347.html
> 
> 
> 
>     > 
>     > ---------------------------------------------------
>     > Kevin Sutter
>     > STSM, MicroProfile and Jakarta EE architect @ IBM
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>     > phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)    
>     > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > From:        <Hussain.NM@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Hussain.NM@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>     > To:        <jakartaee-spec-project-leads@xxxxxxxxxxx
>     <mailto:jakartaee-spec-project-leads@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
>     > Date:        05/26/2020 17:51
>     > Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re: [jakartaee-spec-project-leads] How to
>     > recognize the latest version of artifacts in central?
>     > Sent by:        jakartaee-spec-project-leads-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
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>     > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     > 
>     > 
>     > Re-sending
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > Lukas is right, using the maven-artifact tool it says 4.0.0.M1 > 4.0.0-RC1
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     >> java -jar %MAVEN_HOME%\lib\maven-artifact-3.6.3.jar 4.0.0.M1 4.0.0-RC1
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > Display parameters as parsed by Maven (in canonical form) and comparison
>     > result:
>     > 
>     > 1. 4.0.0.M1 == 4.0.0.milestone-1
>     > 
>     >    4.0.0.M1 > 4.0.0-RC1
>     > 
>     > 2. 4.0.0-RC1 == 4-rc-1
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     >> java - jar %MAVEN_HOME%\lib\maven-artifact-3.6.3.jar 4.0.0-RC1 4.0.0.M1
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > Display parameters as parsed by Maven (in canonical form) and comparison
>     > result:
>     > 
>     > 1. 4.0.0-RC1 == 4-rc-1
>     > 
>     >    4.0.0-RC1 < 4.0.0.M1
>     > 
>     > 2. 4.0.0.M1 == 4.0.0.milestone-1
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > We can conclude from above 4.0.0-RC1 becomes 4-rc-1 whereas 4.0.0.M1
>     > becomes 4.0.0-milestone-1.
>     > 
>     > If we have 4.0.0-M1 and compare with 4.0.0-RC1 then it becomes
>     > 4-milestone-1 < 4-rc-1.
>     > 
>     > If we have 4.0.0.RC1 and compare with 4.0.0-RC1 then it becomes
>     > 4.0.0-rc1 > 4-rc-1.
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > Thanks
>     > 
>     > Hussain
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
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>     > 
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>     > <mailto:jakartaee-spec-project-leads-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>> On Behalf Of
>     > Lukas Jungmann
>     > 
>     > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 3:28 AM
>     > 
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>     > 
>     > Subject: Re: [jakartaee-spec-project-leads] How to recognize the latest
>     > version of artifacts in central?
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > On 5/26/20 11:10 PM, arjan tijms wrote:
>     > 
>     >> Hi,
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >> Should be date.
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >> Both qualifiers are Maven recognised though, see
>     > 
>     >> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Focto
>     > 
>     >> pus.com
>     <http://pus.com>%2Fblog%2Fmaven-versioning-explained&amp;data=02%7C01%7Chussain
>     > 
>     >> .nm%40cognizant.com
>     <http://40cognizant.com>%7C8499180385e74d5e233d08d801bfe1ed%7Cde08c40719b94
>     > 
>     >> 27d9fe8edf254300ca7%7C0%7C0%7C637261270941831432&amp;sdata=9JkDfTKKIvw
>     > 
>     >> qtLBqSHMd0wc1wVlzbpbmfhNGZ1KAbqM%3D&amp;reserved=0
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > I'm not talking about version number recognition, I'm talking about
>     > proper version ordering, so one can rely on available tooling to save
>     > some time and use automation to take care of updating dependencies.
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >> Normally rc should come after m, and the separator is optional. Do
>     > 
>     >> note that they differ here: the "-" in RC vs the "." in the M1. I'm
>     > 
>     >> not entirely sure why Maven displays them out of order though, but my
>     > 
>     >> guess is the different separators confuse it.
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaven.apache.org%2Fpom.html%23Version_Order_Specification&data=02%7C01%7Chussain.nm%40cognizant.com%7C8499180385e74d5e233d08d801bfe1ed%7Cde08c40719b9427d9fe8edf254300ca7%7C0%7C0%7C637261270941831432&sdata=oPPtZlzsOrVOHf3ytLeyX1rRdyyZrYd9wnOIz0hqIo0%3D&reserved=0
>     > <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmaven.apache.org%2Fpom.html%23Version_Order_Specification&data=02%7C01%7Chussain.nm%40cognizant.com%7C8499180385e74d5e233d08d801bfe1ed%7Cde08c40719b9427d9fe8edf254300ca7%7C0%7C0%7C637261270941831432&sdata=oPPtZlzsOrVOHf3ytLeyX1rRdyyZrYd9wnOIz0hqIo0%3D&reserved=0>explains
>     > it
>     > 
>     > - '.' is a version number separator, while '-' is not, so:
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > 4.0.0-RC1 has 3 parts - 4, 0, 0-RC1
>     > 
>     > 4.0.0.M1 has 4 parts - 4, 0, 0, M1
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > and maven compares 3rd part - '.0-RC1' with '.0' and if I got it right,
>     > ".qualifier" < ".number" applies => '.0-RC1' < '.0', so in the end
>     > '4.0.0-RC1' < '4.0.0.M1'
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     > thanks,
>     > 
>     > --lukas
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     >  
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >> Kind regards,
>     > 
>     >> Arjan
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 10:54 PM Lukas Jungmann
>     > 
>     >> <lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>
>     <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx
>     > <mailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx%20%3cmailto:lukas.jungmann@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
>     > wrote:
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >>     Hi,
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >>          I'm trying to update dependencies in some implementation projects
>     > 
>     >>     and came through this:
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >>     when I visit ie
>     > 
>     >>    
>     > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.maven.org%2Fartifact%2Fjakarta.el%2Fjakarta.el-api&data=02%7C01%7Chussain.nm%40cognizant.com%7C8499180385e74d5e233d08d801bfe1ed%7Cde08c40719b9427d9fe8edf254300ca7%7C0%7C0%7C637261270941831432&sdata=uBSbIMMP2x39oep1%2Bzih%2BDwCS8TDaR8raZ%2FENWOtAN4%3D&reserved=0
>     > <https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.maven.org%2Fartifact%2Fjakarta.el%2Fjakarta.el-api&data=02%7C01%7Chussain.nm%40cognizant.com%7C8499180385e74d5e233d08d801bfe1ed%7Cde08c40719b9427d9fe8edf254300ca7%7C0%7C0%7C637261270941831432&sdata=uBSbIMMP2x39oep1%2Bzih%2BDwCS8TDaR8raZ%2FENWOtAN4%3D&reserved=0>I
>     > can see
>     > 
>     >>     that the latest version "by date" is 4.0.0-RC1
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >>     when I run `mvn -U -C versions:display-property-updates` I see:
>     > 
>     >>     [INFO] The following dependencies in Dependency Management have newer
>     > 
>     >>     versions:
>     > 
>     >>     [INFO]   jakarta.el:jakarta.el-api ...................... 4.0.0-RC1 ->
>     > 
>     >>     4.0.0.M1
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >>     which basically says that 4.0.0-RC1 has been updated by 4.0.0.M1.
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >>     Who should I trust? Maven? Date?
>     > 
>     >>
>     > 
>     >>     thanks,
>     > 
>     >>     --lukas
>     > 
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