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Re: [jakartaee-spec-project-leads] Request early guesstimates for Jakarta EE 9 effort
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> Asking each API project to raise a
PR with just the package changes related to their API would be clear I
think. I like the idea
of raising a PR for the "master" TCK updates.> Looking at the spreadsheet it includes
waves again so perhaps as part of the wave a PR on the TCK would also be
expected and the TCK repo could be set up to use the snapshot repo (if
it isn't already).The main idea
of the waves is to allow for the early RC drafts of the APIs to be available
for the subsequent waves of Specs and APIs. Granted, there is also
overlap with some of the TCKs and CIs, but the main push was to get the
APIs available.
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Kevin Sutter
STSM, MicroProfile and Jakarta EE architect @ IBM
e-mail: sutter@xxxxxxxxxx Twitter: @kwsutter
phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutterFrom:
arjan
tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx>To:
JakartaEE
Spec Project Leadership discussions <jakartaee-spec-project-leads@xxxxxxxxxxx>Cc:
jakartaee-tck
developer discussions <jakartaee-tck-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>Date:
12/17/2019
07:42Subject:
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Re: [jakartaee-spec-project-leads] Request early guesstimates for Jakarta
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Hi,That's a good question Tom, was wondering
about that too. The Jakarta Authentication TCK is fairly small, but the
Faces one is quite big. Anything there beyond a search & replace will
likely take a bit of time.Kind regards,ArjanOn Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 1:24 PM Tom Jenkinson
<tom.jenkinson@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:Good question. I have added the Jakarta
EE TCK developers mailing list to see if they have a preference?Asking each API project to raise a PR
with just the package changes related to their API would be clear I think.
Looking at the spreadsheet it includes
waves again so perhaps as part of the wave a PR on the TCK would also be
expected and the TCK repo could be set up to use the snapshot repo (if
it isn't already).On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 at 11:32, Steve Millidge
(Payara) <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I’m not sure yet what do you think is
best? Steve From: jakartaee-spec-project-leads-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx<jakartaee-spec-project-leads-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>
On Behalf Of Tom Jenkinson
Sent: 17 December 2019 11:25
To: JakartaEE Spec Project Leadership discussions <jakartaee-spec-project-leads@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [jakartaee-spec-project-leads] Request early guesstimates
for Jakarta EE 9 effort Please can I ask, is there a plan for
whom would be responsible for providing the estimate "javax ->
jakarta TCK (mm/dd/yyyy)" for projects where their TCK is in https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/jakartaee-tck? Will the individual projects expected
to update this? If so, will each project when updating it's API be responsible
for changing that API and only that API in the TCK? Thanks,Tom On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 at 17:00, Steve Millidge
(Payara) <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:Just a further prod to all project leads.
The release plan for Jakarta EE 9 will be submitted for review next week.
We still need input on the spreadsheet below as to when you think you can
get an api in the new namespace out. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EN5UEzxFV1Buk7yqdQAweaynWJ3UNn2BjN7blXn9vh4/edit?usp=sharing Please review and add input. Last chance
before we pick a release date to shoot for. Thanks for all who have already contributed! Steve From: Steve Millidge (Payara)
Sent: 30 November 2019 11:13
To: JakartaEE Spec Project Leadership discussions <jakartaee-spec-project-leads@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Request early guesstimates for Jakarta EE 9 effort Just a reminder to spec project leads
we need a guestimate on when your project can release a Jakarta EE 9 artefact
in the new namespace. This has to be fed into an overall release plan for
Jakarta EE 9 which is due 9th December. Please fill in this spreadsheet.https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EN5UEzxFV1Buk7yqdQAweaynWJ3UNn2BjN7blXn9vh4/edit?usp=sharing Steve From: Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: 25 November 2019 20:29
To: jakartaee-platform developer discussions <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>;
JakartaEE Spec Project Leadership discussions <jakartaee-spec-project-leads@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Steve Millidge (Payara) <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Request early guesstimates for Jakarta EE 9 effort Hi,
As we are attempting to figure out the content for Jakarta EE 9, we are
also interested in figuring out a doable date for delivering Jakarta EE
9. Many of the work items required for Jakarta EE 9 are already known
and understood. There are still some outliers that need to be fleshed
out, but the majority of the core content is known.
To that end, we would like to start gathering information on the doability
of the various required tasks. - Some of the Jakarta
EE components have their Specification source from Oracle and have started
"Jakarta-izing" the Spec, much like we did for the Platform and
Web Profile specs in Jakarta EE 8.
- Each Jakarta EE component
will need to rev their Specifications, APIs, TCKs, and Compatible Implementations
for the jakarta namespace change.
- One of the key deliverables
is posting the updated APIs to the Maven Staging Repository. This
allows other dependent components to pull in these changes as they attempt
to build and test their changes.
- Another key deliverable
is the associated Compatible Implementation, which is required to demonstrate
that the Spec, API, and TCK can be implemented and tested.
- Once all of the pieces
are complete, then we need to start the official ballots to release the
Specification Project artifacts. (Technically, we also need a Plan
Review, but let's focus on the content delivery date for this exercise.)
As a reminder, the Jakarta EE Specification Process is documented here:
https://jakarta.ee/about/jesp/,
which is built upon the Eclipse Foundation Specification Process: https://www.eclipse.org/projects/efsp?version=1.2
Just to start the conversation, I've thrown together a strawman proposal
spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EN5UEzxFV1Buk7yqdQAweaynWJ3UNn2BjN7blXn9vh4/edit?usp=sharing
The idea of this spreadsheet is to gather data from the projects doing
the real work. If you update the spreadsheet with dates, please
include your name and email contact in Column C. If you need
to provide any additional information or justification, please use the
comment feature for the individual cell. Each of the top level columns
has some hover help text to help explain what we're looking for.
I also put out some strawman dates... Discussions on various mailing
lists have indicated that this Jakarta EE 9 release should come out quickly.
Since we're looking for an early Jakarta EE 9 release date, I put a line
in the sand for the Jakarta EE Platform ballots starting the first week
of April. Depending on the Projects' input, this may be aggressive,
or maybe it's too lenient? This is where we're looking for input.
Also, I am sending this request to the Platform and Spec Project Leads
mailing Lists. I'm trying to target the people that feel responsible
for delivering the Jakarta EE component artifacts for Jakarta EE 9.
If you need to share and discuss this request with others that are not
on these lists, feel free to do so. As we work through the work items
required to deliver Jakarta EE 9, I would expect the majority of our conversations
will happen via these two mailing lists.
We'll talk about this at tomorrow's (11/26) Platform Call:
https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src="">
Also, this spreadsheet is being used just to gather some preliminary data.
We're planning to use something like github milestones and/or projects
for tracking the overall Jakarta EE 9 delivery. But, we need to start
somewhere to get some data for the Dec 9 comeback to the Steering Committee.
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Kevin Sutter
STSM, MicroProfile and Jakarta EE architect
e-mail: sutter@xxxxxxxxxx Twitter: @kwsutter
phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)
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