- For the Jakarta EE 8 Platform which was released last year we have a compatibility and branding process for which we have 10-16 compatible implementations depending on how you count, including Eclipse GlassFish 5.1.0.
What exactly was the money used here? The compatibility process is covered completely by the project members themselfs. For example, as part of the Jakarta REST team, I did no see any money for being part of the certification process of e. g. Jersey. Btw, GlassFish ist not even part of Jakarta EE, but only of EE4J, so why is Jakarta EE money spend for GlassFish, how much, and for which services?
- The Eclipse Foundation was instrumental in delivering Jakarta EE 9 Platform and component specifications, enabling the operational forums through which the release was planned and delivered, the compute/build infrastructure for specs, TCKs and Eclipse GlassFish compatible implementation development (and many of the component compatible implementations), chairing of the spec committee that drove the spec process, leading planning for announcing the release, and additional direct contributions to the work of the Specification and Steering Committees.
What exactly means "was instrumental"? Who did what and how much money was granted for that? As part of the Jakarta REST team, I have not seen any compute/build infrastructure other than Github (which is free), Travis (which is free) and EF's Jenkins (which was used solely because the EF wants us to). So how much money was spend for that few builds on Jenkins? Maybe it makes more sense to spare that money and go with Github Actions or Travis.
Why is money spent for "chairing the spec"? Everybody in that process is already paid by his employer for that, and no volunteers where part of that. So how much money was spent to whom for "chairing the spec, leading planning, announcing"? I am pretty sure we find someone who does that for free, so we can spare that money.
- The Eclipse Foundation has delivered critical marketing services throughout the year, supporting the marketing committee in areas such as web site management, content creation, placing media artricles, blogs, analyst briefings, press intebiews, sponsored conferences, four LiveStream events, driving and monitoring digital/social media, recruiting new WG members, committers and contributors, collaborations with JUGs, Jakarta YouTube Channel, Tech Talks, driving Jakarta EE Developer Survey and more.
Which critical marketing services do you mean? Please name them, and the amount spent. I have not seen any "criticial" marketing. How much money was spent into "web site magement", and for which web sites? The sites we see publicly can be managed by volunteers, no money needed for that. Please share the amounts for the YouTube Channel, Tech Talks, and the Survey, too. I am sure we can spare a lot here.
- The above represents a significant amount of activity, which the EF staff contributes extensively to, either by direct delivery, or by coordinating, monitoring and driving to conclusion.
This reads rather bogus. The EF staff is completely paid by the EF already for doing that job.
Sorry for saying that, but this all looks like "Gentlemen's agreement", not like being "open" in the sense of "transparent". To be accepted by the broad community as a neutral and democratic organization, we must clearly tell frankly about each single dollar spend, to whom, and for what exactly.
I'd like to take this opportunity to express my appreciation for your contributions to Jakarta EE during CY2020, to the Eclipse Foundation management and staff, and to all of the members of the Jakarta EE Working Group and the Jakarta EE community for their contributions as well. This has been an unusual and difficult year for many of us, requiring more than the usual amount of flexibility and adaptability. As this year comes to a close, a big "thank you" to all. I hope you have the opportunity to take a break, and recharge for 2021.
No it works without password, at least the one Tanja attached.
And did you read the legend below the table
„Note: all amounts are in thousands of dollars“ ?;-)
Therefore it’s
* Staff 395k$
…
Everything else would seem quite ridiculous and cover just an hour or less :-D
Werner
In fact I wonder what actually the services are that the Working Group consumed here in a bit more detail…
* Staff 395$
* Program Services 140$
* Marketing 335$
* Other 305$
…as it means that de-facto the EF itself burned approx. 1 Mio. $ and frankly spoken - I cannot see a publicly visible result being worth a million.
-Markus
As you may have issues with accessing the Jakarta EE Steering Committee folder let me attach the .pdf with the information.
Regards,
Tanja
r not inspecting your question and my reply more carefully.
The presentation link I sent contained the 2020 approved budget and 2019 spend data as of November 2019 for 2020 budget comparison purposes.
In response to your question and Markus', we have prepared a summary of the Jakarta EE WG 2019 and 2020 budget and spend and the 2021 budget at:
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Tanja Obradovic
Jakarta EE Program Manager | Eclipse Foundation, Inc.
Twitter: @TanjaEclipse
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