Re: [jakarta.ee-community] Finding a home for Web & Mobile applications

[Edwin Derks <ederks85@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi all,

I think Suren is making a point here, and it made me start thinking right away. What I would like to add is that, in my opinion, we shouldn’t forget what the target audience is for Jakarta EE.

Of course, we are building the platform for developers to build current day software, but being cloud native is just an angle of approach. Developers are building software mostly for customers that want their applications being used on the web or mobile. A concept that apparently the marketing of Dotnet has picked up perfectly.

So I think it might be a good idea to reconsider the (marketing) strategy of Jakarta EE to align with our competitors in that regard. Then we can prove that building current day web apps is done best with Jakarta EE, optimally using the cloud and bringing specifications for every need a developer has, building software on a single platform. Don’t forget that this is one of greatest virtues.

Please share your thoughts with me.

Kind regards,

Edwin 

On Tue, 25 Dec 2018 at 13:45, Suren Konathala <konathalasuren@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

We use Java as a backend for a lot of applications.. Desktop, Web, Mobile, Cloud. And most of us know we're building more Web & Mobile applications (with Java/Jakarta EE as backend) than any other.

Also, i'm not sure not all of these are cloud-native.. yes "Cloud" is the next big thing and we should reflect that.. but my point is that we should not ignore "Web" and "Mobile". There is not proper home for developers to start building Web/Mobile applications using Java. None of these say anything https://jakarta.ee/ , https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ee4j/charter  , https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javaee/overview/index.html 

And competition..  

• NodeJS/_javascript_ is becoming almost de-facto to build backend for websites/web-apps. 
• Beating Java, Kotlin became the first class citizen to build apps on Android (this is huge).
• PWA (Progressive Web Apps) will soon be big. 

Since JakartaEE will be the new home for enterprise java, shouldn't we reflect all those on the website's home page instead of just saying "Cloud native"? 

I know with Oracle's transition there's a lot of work for our community but if we start the process, think about these and help developers.. i am open to help in anyway required.

Below screenshots of JakartaEE and .NET website home pages:

Thanks

Suren

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