Re: [eclipse.org-planning-council] DSDP-NAB on Ganymatic (was: Ganymede

["Nick Boldt" <codeslave@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I'm all for inclusion & forgiving mistakes, but isn't one of the requirements for participation that you, um, test the Ganymede site to ensure your bits can be installed from there? Surely if this project had been testing the Ganymede staging site this would have been caught & fixed months ago.

> "Projects must have stated and demonstrated their intent to join Ganymede by the M4+0 date. Projects do so by adding themselves to the table/list above and to the Ganymede common build infrastructure. " (http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede#Must_Do, #10)

I'm not saying we should exclude them, only that for next year's release we might want to enforce the 'Must Dos' and cross-project installation testing at the M4 date (instead of during the late RCs), and be more vocal about the consequences of missing that deadline. Surprises like this can be avoided if we collectively -- and particularly the component leads -- take more time to test that their end-users can actually download, install, and run their bits. :)
</$0.02>

Nick

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:37 AM, Oberhuber, Martin <Martin.Oberhuber@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi all,
>  
> I've been investigating the issue and found that Shigeki had fogot
> creating the dsdp-nab.sc file for the Ganymatic to pick up his update
> site. All the other Ganymede Must Do's are indeed met, and we had
> the assumption that the project were a valid part of Ganymede.
>  
> The file has since been created, and since there has been no response
> to Doug's original E-Mail, I'm wondering if there are any objections
> against kicking the Ganymatic to pick up the NAB stuff onto
> ganymede/staging, to check that everything's really green with NAB?
>  
> We think on the DSDP PMC that it's important for the NAB project
> to gain more visibility and exposure to the Eclipse community, and
> we hoped getting this by means of the Ganymede train, that's why
> we'd like the project added to the site.
>  
> The NAB project is very successful in Japan, but has not yet managed
> to gain more visibility in the rest of the world. Anybody who has seen
> the NAB Demo at EclipseCon will agree that this is some really
> cool piece of technology.
>  
> Cheers,
> --
> Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
> Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
> http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
>  
>  
>
> ________________________________
> From: eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:eclipse.org-planning-council-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff,
> Doug
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 4:46 PM
> To: ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx; Cross project issues;
> eclipse.org-planning-council
> Subject: [eclipse.org-planning-council] RE:
> [cross-project-issues-dev]Ganymede by project (instead ofpackage)
>
> Hi All,
>
>  
>
> Well, we're experiencing some collective embarrassment in DSDP right now.
> Shigeki and I are the most embarrassed.
>
>  
>
> NAB has been following the train all along with builds, but Shigeki didn't
> populate the Ganymede update site. He's been doing all of the other must
> haves (yes, his plug-ins are signed). His project update site works fines,
> too.
>
>  
>
> I sort of wish someone had said, "we're dropping NAB because we don't see
> them". But in the end it's completely my fault for not checking.
>
>  
>
> I'm guessing it's too late to get this fixed? (Please be gentle in your
> response David!)
>
>  
>
> Doug G
>
>  
>
> From: Ian Skerrett [mailto:ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:36 AM
> To: Gaff, Doug; 'Cross project issues'
> Subject: RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Ganymede by project (instead
> ofpackage)
>
>  
>
> Doug and Martin,
>
>  
>
> The data on the project page comes from the project info database, so if any
> of the information is incorrect, it would be great to have the project
> leaders to update their information.
>
>  
>
> Also, my understanding is that NAB did not actually make it into the
> release, hence they are not on the list.
>
>  
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Gaff, Doug [mailto:doug.gaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:23 AM
> To: Cross project issues; ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Ganymede by project (instead
> ofpackage)
>
>  
>
> I can't find NAB in the Ganymede update site either. I'm trying to reach
> Shigeki now.
>
>  
>
> From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Oberhuber, Martin
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 9:19 AM
> To: ian.skerrett@xxxxxxxxxxx; Cross project issues
> Subject: RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Ganymede by project (instead
> ofpackage)
>
>  
>
> Hi Ian,
>
>  
>
> the page looks out of date, compared to
> http://wiki.eclipse.org/Ganymede/Signoffs#RCx_Status
>
>  
>
> * Buckminster should be 1.1.0 not 1.0.0
>
> * NAB is missing
>
> * DTP should be 1.6 not 1.6RC5
>
> * DLTK should be 0.95
>
>  
>
> ... and many more...
>
>  
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
>
> Martin Oberhuber, Senior Member of Technical Staff, Wind River
>
> Target Management Project Lead, DSDP PMC Member
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/dsdp/tm
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ian
> Skerrett
> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:37 AM
> To: 'Cross project issues'
> Subject: RE: [cross-project-issues-dev] Ganymede by project (instead
> ofpackage)
>
> Doug,
>
>  
>
> Not sure what you mean by 'europa style' link.   This project listing is
> linked under the button 'Learn More About Ganymede'.  
>
>  
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:cross-project-issues-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gaff,
> Doug
> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:01 PM
> To: Cross project issues
> Subject: [cross-project-issues-dev] Ganymede by project (instead of package)
>
>  
>
> Hi folks,
>
>  
>
> I can't find a Ganymede-by-project listing. The "europa style" link seems to
> be missing projects, and anyway this link isn't anywhere on the Ganymede
> main page.
>
>  
>
> http://www.eclipse.org/ganymede/projects.php
>
>  
>
> Anyone have a better link?
>
>  
>
> Doug G
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
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