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Re: [ecd-pmc] Committer election is now complete for Tina Kurian on Eclipse Che
Yes. I do ask other projects about plans for developing diversity. I certainly highlight that this should be a project goal during release reviews. I do this because, having experienced the demise and near-demise of other open source projects that have not had success in growing their diversity, I believe that it is in the best interests of a project to focus on diversity. I have discussed other elections with other PMCs. 

Why have I "singled out" Eclipse Che? The short version is that this election caught my attention and I took a harder look at the project than I have in the recent past. I singled out a different project last week. And another the week before that.

Wayne

On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 1:47 PM Gorkem Ercan <gercan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hey Wayne,

Do you or EMO at large go around and ask “steps a project is taking to attract committers from a more diverse group of companies” to all projects?

If not why is Eclipse Che singled out? We are happy to answer as Mario and Brian summarized the activities we do and if EMO requires more information

we can provide more. However, it would be good to know if there is an EMO practice that we are missing or the reasons for the special attention.

 

I do agree that on the paper the meritocracy of Tina has not proven for Eclipse Che project yet. I believe this an honest mistake because

of the contributions that she is making to another repo that goes hand in hand with Eclipse Che.  As Tina is assigned to work exclusively on these projects

in her day job, I am confident that she will fulfil her meritocracy dues. I also appreciate that PMC could have delay election until those are fulfilled but

chosen to be more pragmatic .

 

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Gorkem

 

From: Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 2:28 PM
To: Eclipse cloud development PMC discussions <ecd-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Gennady Azarenkov <gazarenk@xxxxxxxxxx>, Gorkem Ercan <bercan@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ecd-pmc] Committer election is now complete for Tina Kurian on Eclipse Che

Given that the PMC has already approved this particular election, this discussion is academic. However...

 

Meritocracy is one of the three foundational principles described in the "rules of engagement" in the Eclipse Foundation Development Process. So, it's obviously important.

 

A rule of thumb when creating a nomination statement is to ask yourself whether or not, without knowing the individual or having knowledge of who they work for, you would vote to make that person a committer.

 

"more convenient for the team" is not a demonstration of merit.

 

I would still like to understand the relationship between Eclipse Che and DevWorkspace. If DevWorkspace is content that is moving into the Eclipse Che project, for example, having experience with that code base might provide a pretty solid basis for a merit statement. In that case, however, I would expect that the committer election would start around the same time the code contribution is delivered to the IP Team for their review.

 

While I have your attention, Eclipse Che is way overdue for a release or progress review. And it's long past time, I think, for the project to exit incubation. Please engage with the EMO at your earliest convenience.

 

I'd also like to know what steps the Eclipse Che project is taking to attract committers from a more diverse group of companies. 

 

Wayne

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:00 AM Martin Lippert <mlippert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hey Gennady,

 

Thanks for your additional input and for reaching out.

 

Do I understand this correctly that the reason for the candidate to be elected now instead of after some PRs to the project is that it would be "more convenient for the team“ ?

Even though I can imagine that and understand it (no question about that at all), I still doubt that this is a good-enough reason for an exception to the "demonstrate merit" within the context of the project.

 

@Gorkem, @Nedelcho, @Wayne: What are your additional thoughts here?

 

Cheers

Martin

 

 



Am 27.05.2021 um 14:47 schrieb Gennady Azarenkov <gazarenk@xxxxxxxxxx>:

 

 

Hi Gorkem, Martin and Nedelcho,

 

Seems I can not answer just in the mail-list, please consider:

 

 

Yes, there is some reason.

AFAIK, Tina will be contributing more to "Eclipse part" of the project codebase (at least that's the plan),
we believe she is experienced enough to do it well, so it would be more convenient for the team if she

is an Eclipse committer.

 

We'll appreciate if we can do it now and will treat it with understanding if you, guys, do not see enough formal reasons to promote.

 

Thanks a lot,

Gennady

 

On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 9:44 AM Martin Lippert <mlippert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hey Nelecho, Hey Gorkem,

From what I understand, the candidate must demonstrate merit in the context of the project itself with a visible and transparent track record.

The discussion from last time about project management aspects where around the question how someone can demonstrate merit in the context of a project for those management tasks (which might be technically more difficult than submitting PRs for code and demonstrate merit that way).

As fas as I unterstand, the candidate that we discuss this time works on code, so I don’t see anything that prevents that candidate from demonstrate merit via PRs for the project that we talk about.
Is there any reason why this candidate is not able to do this - and then get elected as a committer? 


Cheers
Martin



> Am 27.05.2021 um 08:29 schrieb Delchev, Nedelcho via ecd-pmc <ecd-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> As far as I remember the concerns were about ppl who would do only project management and not code commits. The case of Tina looks different to me as she already contributed to the next "big thing" of Che project (not in the main repo though).
>
> @Gorkem, is my assumption correct from your side?
>
> Regards,
> Nedelcho
>
> On 27.05.21, 9:20, "ecd-pmc on behalf of Martin Lippert" <ecd-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of mlippert@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>    Hey!
>
>    Isn’t this the committer election where Wayne raised concerns?
>    I haven’t seen any final conclusions in the discussion, so I am a bit surprised to see the message below.
>
>    Any thoughts?
>
>    Cheers
>    Martin
>
>
>> Am 27.05.2021 um 08:14 schrieb emo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>>
>> The Committer election for Tina Kurian on project Eclipse Che (ecd.che) has
>> been approved by the PMC (ndelchev).
>>
>> Election:
>> https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ecd.che/elections/election-tina-kurian-committer-eclipse-che
>>
>> Project: https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/ecd.che
>>
>> PMC: ndelchev (nedelcho.delchev@xxxxxxx)
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