Re: [cdt-dev] FW: New topic in forum C / C++ IDE (CDT), called Why can't

[Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx>]

The request I was referring to was to "take pity on beginning C++ programmers". When they install the C++ IDE for Eclipse it should just work, right out of the box. It should make sure a toolchain is installed so they don't need to learn what a toolchain is. That feeling they have frustrated by Eclipse is something that will stick with this poor student forever and that impacts they're perception of Eclipse for C++ as they enter the workforce.

It's comments like theirs that make me want to rip the C++ IDE off of the Eclipse download site. It's horrible for true beginners. We can do better.

Doug.

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Subject: Re: [cdt-dev] FW: New topic in forum C / C++ IDE (CDT), called Why can't it "just work"?, by Rob Lewis

So use clang on Mac or some-how redistribute gcc?

We can also generate code using our indexer :) I am sure hello world we can manage.

They also want managed build which we are trying to kill... "The symbol could not be resolved" is because from missing a library

and unless we managing the build we cannot help them.

But yes it would be awesome if toolchain and builder comes with CDT and you don't even know it exists.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Doug Schaefer <dschaefer@xxxxxxx> wrote:

This is an awesome request.

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Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 at 10:40 AM
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Subject: New topic in forum C / C++ IDE (CDT), called Why can't it "just work"?, by Rob Lewis

Subject: Why can't it "just work"?	Author: Rob Lewis	Date: Tue, 20 October 2015 14:40
My son began his CS education writing Java with Eclipse. I've actively followed his progress, in part to update my own programming knowledge. Now he (we) have moved on to C++, and after installing the CDT, Eclipse's ease of setup and use seem to have ended in a morass of confusing options and obscure (and apparently wrong) settings that prevent writing and running the simplest of programs without hours of often fruitless research trying to figure out what needs to be changed ("The symbol cout could not be resolved"? Really? What, please, is a "toolchain"? Could we get a more helpful error message than "syntax error"?) All these options and settings might be valuable to very senior programmers who appreciate such fine-grained control of their IDE, but it seems to me there is a great need for a Mac student-level C++ package that "just works" without all the drama. (I actually don't know if other OS versions of Eclipse have the same problems, but I suspect they may.) Is there any possibility that Eclipse's developers will take pity on beginning C++ programmers?
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