On 01/08/2014 03:43 PM, Denis Roy
wrote:
As a casual observer from the outside, your message seems to make
some unfair assumptions about the project's operation. I may,
however, be misinterpreting; but here is how I see it.
I wrote this message because I didn't feel welcome to join this
meeting despite my current involvement in WTP CBI build, and it
appeared that making any piece of effort to have me attending wasn't
on the scope.
Although I don't think it's a big deal if I miss this specific
meeting, I believe it would make sense for the future to plan it
in an open manner via a doodle or something to be more welcoming
to new contributors which are not working in US.
The team has been holding meetings for years.
After the meeting, please share meeting minutes with links to
all related bugs so people who couldn't attend can know what was
discussed and continue the meeting via emails or bugzillas.
Why must you assume that the project is not doing this? A single
Google Search has led me to this:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Development_Status_Meetings
That page has led me to this page:
http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_2014-01-02
Which contains everything you're asking.
Those minutes are not Releng/CBI minutes. They are the general WTP
minutes, which are not the one I'm interested in. I made a quick
search before sending this mail, and could not find some minutes
related to WTP Releng/PMC meetings. Maybe I missed them (my bad) or
maybe there has simply been no such meeting so far, which is fine.
Anyway, this note was just to make sure that since I'm interested in
this meeting and can't attend, I'll find answers in the minutes.
Why
must you assume that the time chosen wasn't conducted in an open
manner? Where were you back in 2005? :-) Using this mailing
list to determine the time is as open as it can get. If the only
persons to voice an opinion at the time were in North America,
it's a perfectly valid time.
I don't think we have to care much about what was happening 8 years
ago. The technology, community, ecosystem... changes and stuff needs
to be adapted.
To
request a new time be chosen is entirely valid. However, there is
not a single time slot that will accommodate everyone around the
globe.
I'm aware of that ;) But the current contributors as we can find on
the wtp-releng archives for the last 2 monthes are from US and
Europe.
11:00am Eastern time is good for east-code North America, fine for
most of Europe, but a bit early for Western North America and much
too late for most of Asia.
11am Eastern in 9pm in Europe. 9pm is not considered as "fine" for
most of Europe. So it would be nice to move it to 9am Eastern (or
earlier) so it would be possible for people in Europe to attend.
It
appears you are preaching to the choir, and while everyone
appreciates potential contributors, I think contributors should be
expected to do some minimal research to be accepted on a team. I
don't think you have done that, yet instead invested time to
author a post that seems to point the finger and utter "you
should"s to a project that, IMO, is doing everything right.
I also believe WTP is doing things right and seems to be an healthy
project from a technical and community POV, I just don't understand
what makes the difference between a contributor and a "team member",
and what are the necessary things to be considered as worth thinking
about moving a meeting.
In general, I believe the concept of "team" for an OSS project is an
anti-pattern.
I
apologize if I've misunderstood your post.
No need to apologize, you understood it perfectly ;)
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