Re: [virgo-dev] A home for Bundlor

[Christian Dupuis <cdupuis@xxxxxxxxxx>]

> OK, so it sounds like PDE is the common denominator, which was sort
> of my expectation / hope. I think the important question to ask at
> this point is the reverse; if Virgo *only* spoke PDE, what
> implications would that have for users? Are there scenarios that we
> couldn't support -- even with the Libra adapters -- given that?

You wouldn't be able to deploy WAR projects, plans or web modules.

Christian

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> Greetings,
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> From: Miles Parker [mailto:miles.parker@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: 20 януари 2012 г. 20:48 ч.
> To: Glyn Normington
> Cc: Raev, Kaloyan; Martin Lippert; Leo Dos Santos;
> libra-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx ; virgo-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx ; pde-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: A home for Bundlor
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> On Jan 20, 2012, at 1:43 AM, Glyn Normington wrote:
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> On 20 Jan 2012, at 02:10, Miles Parker wrote:
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> the larger Spring donation which has also spawned Libra etc..
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> For the record, let's be clear that SAP donated Libra and then
> factored some of the SpringSource donated Virgo IDE into Libra.
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> Thanks Glyn, my mistake. I'm still not familiar with all of the
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> Do you agree that a Proof-of-Concept showing how Bundlor can be
> integrated with PDE is a good first step? If we see that this is
> possible (and also how it is possible), will open the door for many
> improvements like https://bugs.eclipse.org/329198 you have
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> Yes to the first question. I'm not sure it's related to the second
> bug.
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> In the first case we're asking "would Bundlor be useful to general
> PDE projects, and if so would that usefulness outweigh potential
> loss of transparency, maintenance costs and so on". As POC would be
> like, "support creating of generic PDE projects that make use of the
> bundlor mechanism". I think that PDE is best qualified to give an
> answer to that one. Is there anyone from PDE who has thoughts to
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> In the second we're really asking "given a PDE project, can we make
> it more easy to build, execute and run with Virgo and other
> [non-Eclipse SDK] Runtime environments by leveraging PDE tools?" I
> think the Libra and Virgo teams will have to answer that one. Note
> by the way that it is perfectly easy at this point to actually
> deploy PDE built bundles, you just have to do the extra steps of
> exporting or building the plugins manually and then copying them off
> to Virgo runtime. So I think this part is largely a matter of some
> automation. But there are much more complex scenarios, where for
> example we might want to use the Run Configuration stuff as the
> primary gateway into launching and testing for self-hosted Virgo and
> Libra targets, rather or in addition to the current approach of
> manually creating local server(s) instances for that.
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> -Miles
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