Re: [technology-pmc] Issues with Committer Elections at technology.dawns

[Matthew Gerring <matthew.gerring@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello,

Maybe we could use github pull requests instead? Can I merge these?
This would be acceptable for now and the medium term; preferable would
be electing the team of course.

I must ask you to make your decision quickly, before Friday, on how we
get code back to the project because of other deadlines.

There are many (~50) developers here working on three RCP products (as
well as other things). I think GDA and DAWN will present at eclipse
con. These products are important to the operation of the synchrotron,
hundreds of users / year from around the globe. They also use the
software off-site. This has to come first in our list of priorities.
Interestingly enough, the actual user base of our products is not that
large but because it operates extremely expensive systems; robots,
detectors, clusters, and involves academics from around the world,
interruptions can be costly.

I am enjoying pursuing the eclipse project stuff but if cost outweighs
benefit, we will have to cut it off.

Sincerely,

Matt



From: Jay Jay Billings [mailto:jayjaybillings@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 24 February 2015 16:21
To: Technology PMC
Cc: Gerring, Matt (DLSLtd,RAL,LSCI)
Subject: Re: [technology-pmc] Issues with Committer Elections at
technology.dawnsci



Everyone,


If I can chime in as a project lead, I think I might be able to clear
some of it up. Both DAWNSci and ICE are large government-funded
projects that existed outside of the Eclipse Foundation for a long
time. We had our own governance models for years. DAWN has upwards of
fifty current developers and ICE has upwards of 15 (not all of which
are Eclipse "commiters;" some of the code is internal). Thus, it was
more a "migration" to an Eclipse project than starting a new one and
we just didn't expect it would be a problem to bring our people on
board with minimal justification.

(Matt, I hope I'm not putting words in your mouth.)

It wasn't clear to me when we started that the PMC needed to vote on
*my* committers and, as we discussed with Andrew Bennett for ICE, it
seemed hilariously strange to me that you were saying "No, they have
to make contributions through Bugzilla before they can commit, even if
they have been funded as full-time employees on the project for years
and they were omitted from the paperwork by accident." Don't get me
wrong; I really like the nomination process and I am now finding it
very valuable, but it was just something new that I wasn't used to nor
expected.

So, pardon my long winded discussion, but I think it might make it a
little clearer why both Matt and I submitted nominations for people
with minimal justification. As Chris suggests, the resolution to the
problem is probably a better discussion of this on the nomination
form. I'm certain too that this was in the process literature that I
read on the Eclipse wiki, but it could likely use some bold text or
otherwise more explicit presentation.

Again, don't get me wrong; I now find this process really valuable
since I've been stalking the list for awhile seeing how and why people
are nominated to be committers.

Hope this helps,



Jay



On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Eric Rizzo <eclipse-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

THAT is an excellent idea.

On 2015-02-24 09:55, Chris Aniszczyk wrote:

My guess is that they simply forgot to point to their record of
contributions, some of the people they have nominated do have a track
record of contributions:

https://github.com/DawnScience/dawn-eclipse/graphs/contributors



Maybe we need to change the nomination form to explicitly call a link
to contributions out so people don't forget.





On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 6:20 AM, Gunnar Wagenknecht
<gunnar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Chris/Marcel,

You both are listed as mentors. :) I apologize for dumping work on
you. Do you have any idea what's with those committer elections? The
nomination looks totally bogus. I already rejected one. But now there
are three more. Thus, I'm not sure if there actually is a story behind
the scenes.

-Gunnar

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