| Re: [technology-pmc] Issues with Committer Elections at technology.dawnsci |
Wayne,
That all sounds reasonable. I think as Chris suggests that should go on the nomination form.
Jay
A list of specific contributions is always best, IMHO.
However--not that I want to muddy the waters here--rationalization that an individual has made significant contributions to the initial contribution in the past is also sufficient. e.g. "Bob has made significant contributions to the project; he created the such-and-such subsystem. He is joining the project to maintain and grow that functionality." (or something like that).
For earlier nomination of a committer who was originally listed on the project proposal, but timed out providing paperwork, rationalization that they were listed as an original committer will suffice. "foo-bar" isn't quite enough for us to go on :-)
In the case of a project like ICE or DawnSci which has a long history that was squashed when the project moved to Eclipse, it may be impossible to provide very specific pointers to very specific contributions. You don't need to be "very specific", but you do need to demonstrate why they should be a committer.
Wayne
On 24/02/15 11:20 AM, Jay Jay Billings wrote:
So, pardon my long winded discussion, but I think it might make it a little clearer why both Matt and I submitted nominations for people with minimal justification. As Chris suggests, the resolution to the problem is probably a better discussion of this on the nomination form. I'm certain too that this was in the process literature that I read on the Eclipse wiki, but it could likely use some bold text or otherwise more explicit presentation.Everyone,
It wasn't clear to me when we started that the PMC needed to vote on *my* committers and, as we discussed with Andrew Bennett for ICE, it seemed hilariously strange to me that you were saying "No, they have to make contributions through Bugzilla before they can commit, even if they have been funded as full-time employees on the project for years and they were omitted from the paperwork by accident." Don't get me wrong; I really like the nomination process and I am now finding it very valuable, but it was just something new that I wasn't used to nor expected.
If I can chime in as a project lead, I think I might be able to clear some of it up. Both DAWNSci and ICE are large government-funded projects that existed outside of the Eclipse Foundation for a long time. We had our own governance models for years. DAWN has upwards of fifty current developers and ICE has upwards of 15 (not all of which are Eclipse "commiters;" some of the code is internal). Thus, it was more a "migration" to an Eclipse project than starting a new one and we just didn't expect it would be a problem to bring our people on board with minimal justification.
(Matt, I hope I'm not putting words in your mouth.)
Again, don't get me wrong; I now find this process really valuable since I've been stalking the list for awhile seeing how and why people are nominated to be committers.
Hope this helps,
Jay
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Eric Rizzo <eclipse-mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
THAT is an excellent idea.
On 2015-02-24 09:55, Chris Aniszczyk wrote:
My guess is that they simply forgot to point to their record of contributions, some of the people they have nominated do have a track record of contributions:Maybe we need to change the nomination form to explicitly call a link to contributions out so people don't forget.
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 6:20 AM, Gunnar Wagenknecht <gunnar@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Chris/Marcel,
You both are listed as mentors. :) I apologize for dumping work on you. Do you have any idea what's with those committer elections? The nomination looks totally bogus. I already rejected one. But now there are three more. Thus, I'm not sure if there actually is a story behind the scenes.
-Gunnar
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