Re: [mylyn-dev] Vex Editor for Mylyn Docs project

[Steffen Pingel <steffen.pingel@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

The quality on the conference calls tends to be better with land
lines. Here are international access numbers:

Canada
Toll free: 1-877-727-8553
Caller paid: 1-416-840-9801
U.S.
Toll free: 1-866-394-4146
Caller paid: 1-480-629-1624
International toll-free numbers:
Germany: 0800-111-1193
UK: 0800-358-3473
France: 0800-94-0253
Sweden: 0200-125-713
Finland: 0800-114-845

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Kilian Matt <kilian.matt@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Holger,
>
> you can use the toll free number (866) with with Skype, that works for me.
>
> Kilian
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Holger Voormann <eclipse@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> I like the idea to move Vex to Mylyn: it makes more sense to group
>> subprojects/features according to user requirements instead of technical
>> implementation.
>>
>> The time (20:00 CERT) is fine for me but I would prefer communication via
>> something free of charge, e.g. Skype or a German telephone number.
>>
>> Best regards, Holger
>>
>> Am 13.10.2010 11:17, schrieb Florian Thienel:
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I have another appointment tomorrow. So I will write some
>>> facts about Vex and some of my thoughts in advance. I hope this helps to
>>> see if Vex fits better into the
>>>
>>> Vex is a WYSIWYG (actually "...what you mean") editor for XML documents,
>>> i.e. huge amounts of structured text written in a XML language (eg.
>>> Docbook). One of the main reasons to use XML is, that it allows to tag
>>> the content's semantic instead of simply defining a layout. This fact is
>>> vital for single source publishing.
>>>
>>> The typical Vex user
>>> * writes structured texts in a XML language (eg. Docbook, DITA, TEI P5)
>>> * uses the XML toolchain (XSLT + XSL-FO, etc.) to publish the texts in
>>> serveral formats (eg. different HTML layouts, HTML-Help, PDF, etc.)
>>> * has little knowledge about XML and all the other underlying technologies
>>> * sees Vex simply as one of his tools and has little time and energy to
>>> fiddle around with Vex
>>>
>>> Typical fields of application:
>>> * technical writing
>>> * scientific writing
>>> * computational linguistics
>>>
>>> This is a whole new group of users. I think it is good to have one
>>> "documentation" project which concentrates all effort to address this
>>> group of users.
>>>
>>> Holger, me and possibly Igor will be at the ESE in three weeks. Maybe we
>>> can make an appointment to meet in person. At least for me this is
>>> easier than the 2,7kHz of a telephone line around the half of the globe
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Florian
>>>
>>> Am 13.10.2010 04:19, schrieb David Carver:
>>>>
>>>> If I can't make it then I hope that Florian, Hogler, or Igor could
>>>> make it. Long term I think it is a better fit than wtp, but that is my
>>>> opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> On 10/12/2010 03:27 PM, David Green wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> David,
>>>>>
>>>>> Your proposal sounds great. Vex is a great fit for Mylyn Docs, and
>>>>> visa versa. Would you be able to join a Mylyn conference call to
>>>>> discuss the particulars? If so please feel free to add an item to the
>>>>> agenda and call in: http://wiki.eclipse.org/Mylyn/Meetings
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> David Green
>>>>> VP of Engineering, Tasktop
>>>>> Committer, Eclipse Mylyn
>>>>> http://tasktop.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:25 AM, David Carver <d_a_carver@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>> <mailto:d_a_carver@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've talked briefly about this with a couple of Vex committers.
>>>>> And Mik suggested I bring this up on the mylyn-dev mailing list as
>>>>> well. I've copied the existing Vex committers on this message as
>>>>> well. The Vex project is a Visual Editor for XML documents. In
>>>>> particularl document oriented XML files like DocBook, XHTML, DITA,
>>>>> etc. It can be used to allow a WYSIWYG editing experience with out
>>>>> having to know the underlying tags. DocBook is one of it's main
>>>>> uses, and it also support DITA out of the box as well. It uses CSS
>>>>> stylesheets to help control the rendering. It fits in the same
>>>>> category as Mylyn WikiText editor, as it allows for a Single
>>>>> Sourcing method to documentation. The resulting files produced are
>>>>> strictly XML, and can be checked into a source code control
>>>>> system, allowing multiple people to collaborate on the files.
>>>>>
>>>>> Vex has been a WTP Incubator project for several years, and slowly
>>>>> has grown a dedicated committer base. The project is shooting for
>>>>> a Spring graduation, but with the advent of the new Mylyn top
>>>>> level project, and the overal scope of Vex, I would suggest that
>>>>> the Documentation sub project might actually be a better place for
>>>>> the Vex project itself. It seems to fit more into the scope there,
>>>>> as we Web Tools while it houses the XML projects, Vex itself is
>>>>> more about enabling the collaboration and generation of
>>>>> documentation, and the people that are typically interested in Vex
>>>>> are those working on documentation or articles for publication
>>>>> (i.e. news articles, books, etc).
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are some relevant links:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP/VisualEditorForXML
>>>>>
>>>>> The CI Build and FindBugs reports can be found on hudson:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://hudson.eclipse.org/hudson/view/WTP/job/cbi-wtp-inc.vex/
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a P2 update site that can be used to install the latest
>>>>> versions as well, archived from the vex CI build.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
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Steffen Pingel
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Senior Developer, http://tasktop.com