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Re: [jms-dev] [ejb-dev] [cu-dev] Jakarta EE 10 and breaking changes
Hi,
Getting back to the original question of whether Concurrency should update their major version or not...  You should be considering semantic versioning (https://semver.org/) when making this decision.  If you are not making any incompatible API changes, then you should not increase your major version -- even if you are introducing "lots of new functions".  You should be making this decision based on the technical aspects of your Specification and how you want your users to easily consume your APIs.  Users need the ability to know whether a move to the new version of Concurrency will break their applications or not without having to dig through documentation.  The use of semantic versioning allows for this.  If Concurrency moves to version 2.x, then users will know that their applications will continue to work when they move up.  But, if Concurrency moves to version 3.0, then users have to make a conscious decision whether it's worth the effort to move up.  And, as implied by the previous replies, if Concurrency 3.0 actually doesn't introduce any incompatible changes, then you have tainted the versioning strategy and your users won't know whether to trust the numbering scheme going forward.

The use of semantic versioning by the independent Specification Projects is strongly encouraged, but it's currently not enforced.

Thanks,
Kevin

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 11:23 AM Ivar Grimstad <ivar.grimstad@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Gurkan,

Thanks for your interest!
By contributing to the projects via mailing lists, issue trackers, pull requests, you can ultimately be nominated and elected on board as a committer. The normal open source rules of engagement apply to both specification- and implementation projects.


Ivar

On Wed, May 5, 2021 at 6:13 PM Gurkan Erdogdu <gerdogdu@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi
I am happy to work on both EJB and JMS side. Who is responsible for adding me to EJB/JMS spec and EJB/JMS implementation?

Gurkan

On 5 May 2021, at 14:34, Steve Millidge (Payara) <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I think both EJB and JMS are missing release plans. I hope they will both start some time in the next few months.
 
Steve
 
From: cu-dev <cu-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of arjan tijms
Sent: 05 May 2021 12:27
To: cu developer discussions <cu-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [cu-dev] Jakarta EE 10 and breaking changes
 
Hi,
 
I wonder, is there actually any EJB activity to speak of recently? There doesn’t seem to be much of anything planned for EE 10 there.
 
Kind regards,
Arjan

On Wednesday, May 5, 2021, Steve Millidge (Payara) <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I agree we need to approach the EJB spec team formally. I’ve had some informal discussions with people on that spec and they were supportive. However I imagine in the first instance they may deprecate their annotation. I will reach out to them once we get the release review out of the way. My understanding if we can’t get agreement across the various specs we can drop these proposals. It will be interesting to see how these sort of things are discussed and resolved.
 
I am in agreement if a major is only allowed via breaking changes then we don’t qualify but I also feel this is a major release. I will put that forward as our position on the release review.
 
Steve
 
From: cu-dev <cu-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Nathan Rauh
Sent: 04 May 2021 22:56
To: cu developer discussions <cu-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [cu-dev] Jakarta EE 10 and breaking changes
 
This brings up a good point regarding the proposals in our release plan for moving annotations from other specs to Concurrency.  For example, the @Asynchronous annotation under https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/concurrency-api/issues/43 If this is moved from Jakarta Enterprise Beans to Concurrency rather than duplicated (I'm not sure which was the intent), then the Jakarta Enterprise Beans spec would need a major release update per the removal being a breaking change to their spec (as well as an issue planned for Jakarta EE 10 which I don't currently see listed on their  https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/ejb-api/milestone/2)  Does anyone know if anyone from Jakarta Enterprise Beans has been contacted or involved in these proposals?  This would also apply for @Lockhttps://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/concurrency-api/issues/135and to some extent @Schedule https://github.com/eclipse-ee4j/concurrency-api/issues/98.

Getting back to the Concurrency release, if the direction we are being given is that breaking changes is the only justification for increasing the major version, then we don't meet it because we don't have a need to make breaking changes.  But my preference, if given the choice, is that 3.0 would be a better indicator to our users that there is a significant amount of new function and API being added in this release. 




From:        "Steve Millidge (Payara)" <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To:        cu developer discussions <cu-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        05/04/2021 11:11 AM
Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re: [cu-dev] Jakarta EE 10 and breaking changes
Sent by:        "cu-dev" <cu-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>

 

Just for clarity. So we keep the major release even though there may be no breaking changes?

 

Steve

 

From:cu-dev <cu-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of Nathan Rauh
Sent: 04 May 2021 14:13
To: cu developer discussions <cu-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [cu-dev] Jakarta EE 10 and breaking changes

 

+1 to what Reza stated.  Looking over the release plan, it adds a significant amount of major new function, none of which requires breaking changes.




From:        Reza Rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx>
To:        cu developer discussions <cu-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date:        05/03/2021 02:02 PM
Subject:        [EXTERNAL] Re: [cu-dev] Jakarta EE 10 and breaking changes
Sent by:        "cu-dev" <cu-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx>




Based on the scope of work, I think this is a major release, not a minor (point) release. I do not foresee any need for breaking changes.

Reza Rahman
Jakarta EE Ambassador, Author, Blogger, Speaker

Please note views expressed here are my own as an individual community member and do not reflect the views of my employer.

On May 3, 2021, at 11:40 AM, Steve Millidge (Payara) <steve.millidge@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:



As part of our release review.

 

See Jakarta Concurrency 3.0 Plan Review by smillidge · Pull Request #368 · jakartaee/specifications (github.com)

 

I am being asked if this is truly a major version release. i.e. Are we going to make breaking changes?

 

WDYT is this a major version or minor version based on semantic versioning. Alternatively do we want the freedom to make breaking changes even if we haven’t specifically identified any as yet? 

 

Steve Millidge


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