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Re: [jaxrs-dev] Use of "Jakarta REST" on Jakarta EE tutorial
Thanks everyone for your input and your clarifications. I was indeed wrong on my interpretation of the trademark guidelines.

Nevertheless, I have replaced JAX-RS with Jakarta REST in the tutorial for now since that's consistent with all the other specs and I feel more comfortable with that term myself. If anyone has any objections, please feel free to create a new PR on the tutorial.

> Thus, the options are to use the full name and/or contextual references such as “this API”. I suggest we do that and move forward.

Santiago, that's a good idea. I'm currently just trying to do the minimal possible changes to the tutorial to adapt it to Jakarta EE. Once that's done and we start to actually update content, we can implement your suggestion.


Regards,

Guillermo González de Agüero

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 4:18 PM Santiago Pericas-Geertsen <santiago.pericasgeertsen@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
All,

 As I understand it, we have opponents to using “Jakarta REST” and opponents to using “JAX-RS” (myself included). Thus, the options are to use the full name and/or contextual references such as “this API”. I suggest we do that and move forward.

— Santiago

On Sep 16, 2019, at 5:16 PM, Bill Shannon <bill.shannon@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

That's not quite right.  As described in the guidelines you reference, you can include a disclaimer so that you can use "JAX-RS" to refer to "Jakarta RESTful Web Services" in this document.

Still, the recommendation from the PMC was to choose simple names for the specifications and to use those simple names instead of acronyms going forward, possibly dropping the "Jakarta" if the context is clear.  This avoids any of the confusion related to the acronyms.  While "Jakarta REST" was a suggested simple name for this specification, the team chose to use "Jakarta RESTful Web Services".

This spec may be the only one that is clinging to the old acronym.  You can decide whether the tutorial reads better with the disclaimer and the old acronym, or with the new spec name.

Note that the tutorial already published at https://eclipse-ee4j.github.io/jakartaee-tutorial/, and is automatically updated as the tutorial source is updated.  It's not linked into the jakarta.ee web site, but it probably should be.


Guillermo González de Agüero wrote on 9/15/19 2:35 AM:
Hi,

From https://jakarta.ee/legal/acronym_guidelines/ I understand the original acronyms can't be used in official Jakarta EE material. You can informally refer to Jakarta RESTful Web Services as "JAX-RS" but can't use that therm in official documents (like the tutorial) if it's not referring to the JCP JAX-RS.

AFAIK, the main reason the tutorial is not already published in jakarta.ee is because it needed to remove all the Java EE and references. If that's the case, JAX-RS couldn't be used and so Jakarta REST (if approved as an acceptable name by the comitters) or Jakarta RESTful Web Services would be the options.

I'm adding Bill Shannon to the conversation to let him clarify it.


Regards,

Guillermo González de Agüero


On Sun, Sep 15, 2019 at 11:20 AM Markus KARG <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

So let's stay with JAX-RS. ;-)

-Markus

 

Von: jaxrs-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaxrs-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Christian Kaltepoth
Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. September 2019 11:11
An: jaxrs developer discussions
Betreff: Re: [jaxrs-dev] Use of "Jakarta REST" on Jakarta EE tutorial

 

I would prefer to have a short name for the spec hat is used in a consistent way. Mixing Jakarta REST and JAX-RS all the time is very confusing.

 

As mentioned before, I would prefer to keep the JAX-RS short name. But that's just my opinion.

 

Am So., 15. Sept. 2019 um 10:38 Uhr schrieb Markus KARG <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

As a JAX-RS Committer I think you are free to decide that. But you should talk with those that defined overall Jakarta tutorial, maybe they want special wording.

-Markus

 

 

Von: jaxrs-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jaxrs-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] Im Auftrag von Guillermo González de Agüero
Gesendet: Samstag, 14. September 2019 20:03
An: jaxrs developer discussions
Betreff: [jaxrs-dev] Use of "Jakarta REST" on Jakarta EE tutorial

 

Hi,

 

I'm working on migrating the Java EE tutorial to Jakarta EE terms. In the absence of a new acronym or short name, that means replacing 140 JAX-RS mentions with "Jakarta RESTful Web Services".

 

I wonder, would it be acceptable to informally use "Jakarta REST" on those places where JAX-RS was used? This would be consistent with uses of "Faces pages" for JSF or "enterprise beans" for EJB.

 

As opposed to the spec, the tutorial is a non normative document. The only reason I'm asking this is to reduce verbosity.

 

Thanks in advance!

 
 

Regards,

 

Guillermo González de Agüero

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