Re: [jakartaee-platform-dev] [DISCUSS] Include Jakarta MVC in EE 11

[lenny@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Scott, I would think that having it optional would alleviate the concerns about being forced to support any specs.
Wouldn’t this solve the “chicken-or-egg” problem as well? First, introduce as an optional spec,
and, at a later time, see what kind of traction it gets, and then it can be voted upon to become a compulsory spec in a profile.

Disclaimer: I have not read lately what “exactly” an optional feature in the platform is defined as.


> On Jul 17, 2023, at 1:54 PM, Werner Keil via jakartaee-platform-dev <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> Well, everyone has just one vote and nobody has a veto.
> 
> Of course for platform additions there's a "filibuster" kind of
> requirement with a super majority, which is also why I am not sure, if
> removing rarely used specs from the Web Profile is going to happen so soon.
> 
> I'm also not sure, if adding it to the Web Profile would help, since MVC
> has the charm of little overhead and only REST as a crucial dependency,
> so it even works as an optional feature to the Core Profile for
> "Self-Contained Systems" with a UI.
> 
> On 17.07.2023 21:47, Scott Stark via jakartaee-platform-dev wrote:
>> So a query of our WildFly development team has resulted in them not
>> wanting to be forced to support this at a platform or profile level as
>> they simply see no demand for it. While there is integration with
>> RESTeasy available, we get no usage numbers from that module. They
>> have suggested creating an experimental feature pack to gather Red Hat
>> community interest in non-platform/profile specifications. The
>> following Red Hat issue will track the feature pack:
>> 
>> https://issues.redhat.com/browse/WFLY-18265
>> 
>> For EE11 this means that Red Hat will vote against inclusion of MVC in
>> either the platform or a profile.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 9:09 PM Edward Burns via
>> jakartaee-platform-dev <jakartaee-platform-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Hello Platform Dev,
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>>> 
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>>> Agendas: Previous agenda google docs
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>>> Agendas
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>>> ·
>>> 
>>> o   Jakarta MVC
>>> 
>>> §  Inclusion history
>>> 
>>> ·        Only one impl? But the one impl is designed to be cross-runtime already (Rest Easy or Jersey).
>>> 
>>> ·        Nobody is using it?
>>> 
>>> ·        Nobody is requesting it?
>>> 
>>> o   One implementation (Eclipse Krazo) that comes in two flavors: RESTEasy and Jersey
>>> 
>>> §  TCK passes on GlassFish, WildFly and Open Liberty
>>> 
>>> o   Spec is mature currently 2.1, ready for EE 11?
>>> 
>>> o   Good lightweight complement to Jakarta Faces
>>> 
>>> o   Builds on Jakarta REST
>>> 
>>> o   A 3.0 is planned in the EE 11 timeframe
>>> 
>>> Jakarta MVC 2.1 will not be added to the Web Profile for Jakarta EE 10
>>> 
>>> ·
>>> 
>>> §  MVC - lazy loading, partial page load
>>> 
>>> https://ci.eclipse.org/mvc/
>>> 
>>> GitHub Issue https://github.com/jakartaee/jakartaee-platform/issues/661
>>> 
>>> There is no discussion in the GitHub issue
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