1. Is the committer required to have an employer? Aren't freelancers or simply occasional OSS contributors able to contribute to Specs?
2. Why are there fees for contributing to Specs? I understand the paperwork and the fact that Eclipse Fdn. later retains the right of Property.
But in the end, Eclipse Fdn. is the one receiving the work. From my point of view, if we're talking about payments, Eclipse Fdn should pay contributors, not the other way around.
all you points and concerns are very seriously taken at Eclipse
Foundation and we DO NEED every single person already involved
with Jakarta EE to stay involved, but also we need community to
grow!
The problem you pointed out does not work at all fro anyone and
we are addressing it. I am also hoping you all had a chance to
read response from Wayne Beaton to the thread. I will copy it
here:
"The important difference here is that we're talking about specification work. The intellectual property flows are fundamentally different for specification development than they are for software development.
Due to these differences in intellectual property flows, we need to have extra legal documentation in place for specification project committers in the form of the Working Group Participation Agreement. By signing that agreement, the committer's employer becomes a participant in the working group and subject to the terms of the agreement (which includes participation fees).
That a person cannot become a committer on a specification project unless their employer joins the working group is an obvious hole in our process that we identified with help from the Jakarta EE Working Group's Specification Committee. We're working on filing this hole. Since this is legal documentation, it takes a little time. We're close to ready to roll this out.
FWIW, Romain's committer status has been suspended, not revoked, while we sort this out. What happened... we created the projects that Romain is a committer on before we had a specification process. When we switched those projects into specification process as defined by the newly created specification process, the fact that we didn't have the necessary paperwork in place to support Romain's involvement with specification work required that we suspend his account while it was sorted out. The EMO Records team has communicated this with Romain.
We've come quite a long way from having no specification process 18 months ago to today. As we identify problems, we address them. The patience, understanding, and participation of the community as we push forward with specification work at the Eclipse Foundation is appreciated."
Hope this helps!
Best,
Tanja
On 2020-01-29 8:26 a.m., Mihai A.
wrote:
I mean, how does this "business model" even work?
Are you going to charge contributors for ... working for you!?
I am here struggling to get some cash from doing
opensource.
I didn't realize I had to ask my other contributors to pay
me for the code they write!
That
probably might have nothing to do with that specific issue.
Might have just to do with lack of resources. I would not
presume any bad intent in this area, really.
Eclipse always had some 'management tiers' which are mainly
about top management buzzword bingo. For those there was
always a required fee. I don't care much, as those levels are
mostly self-marketing for companies. But the EF guaranteed in
the beginning that the _actual work_ would be free of those
politics and ANYBODY can contribute.
LieGrue,
strub
> Am 29.01.2020 um 14:13 schrieb Mihai A. <amihaiemil@xxxxxxxxx>:
>
> Now I understand why the tickets I open to various
related projects get no answer and nobody seems really
interested in them,
> Talking about feature requests, not necessarily bugs.
>
> Cool story.
>
> Br,
> Mihai
>
> On Wed, 29 Jan 2020 at 15:10, Mark Struberg <struberg@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Talked with him.
> Romain now works for a company which has signed up on a
low level Eclipse membership since ages.
> But their 'tier' doesn't qualify for having someone work
on an EG or working group it seems.
> So EF seemingly asked his company management to 'upgrade'
their account and pay FU****NG 10k just for Romain to be able
to continue to contribute. And then they suspended all his
Eclipse committership alltogether.
>
> Hell, this is SOOO WRONG on soo many levels. We should be
freaking happy to have people like Romain continue to
contribute to and support Jakarta EE. But instead his company
gets ripped off?
> I mean, this is really odd. This is pure pay to play and
a shame for calling itself Open Source!
>
> Dear Eclipse leadership. JakartaEE needs people like
Romain. JakartaEE needs other OSS foundations, JakartaEE
actually needs the all the community you can get!
>
> JakartaEE is not a standard Eclipse project - don't wreck
it!
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> > Am 28.01.2020 um 22:25 schrieb Markus KARG <markus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >
> > What actually was the trigger for Romain's
statement?
> > -Markus
> >
> >
> > Von: jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Im Auftrag von Kevin Sutter
> > Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Januar 2020 21:04
> > An: Jakarta EE community discussions
> > Betreff: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [Open Feedback]
to this Community via Twitter
> >
> > Romain is entitled to his opinion, but I don't agree
with it.
> >
> > I belong to and have participated in both
foundations -- Eclipse and Apache. Yes, they are different.
They both have quirks. But, I do not agree with posting
something like this and asking for a discussion. At least not
on the Jakarta EE Community forum. We should focus on Jakarta
EE issues and questions, and not opinions about the Eclipse
Foundation. My two cents worth...
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > Kevin Sutter
> > STSM, MicroProfile and Jakarta EE architect @ IBM
> > e-mail: sutter@xxxxxxxxxx
Twitter: @kwsutter
> > phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)
> > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Amelia Eiras <aeiras@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: Jakarta EE Community <jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 01/28/2020 13:31
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [jakarta.ee-community]
[Open Feedback] to this Community via Twitter
> > Sent by: jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello from Las Vegas Jakartees,
> >
> > with reference to this Tweet
> >
> > <image001.png>
> > If Romain's statements are true, why are they true?
> >
> > Amelia Eiras
> > twitter.com/ameliaeiras
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