In addition, at least one of those implementations has to be under an open source license.
Kevin/all,
Glassfish used to be the RI under the old JCP regime, but based on what's changed with Jakarta EE there has to be no "Reference Implementation" any more, if 2 or more "Compatible Implementations" (as of now Payara is not there yet, but OpenLiberty and Wildfly already are) are available so close to the GA of a new Jakarta EE version, there is no need for another implementation as per the guidelines. It is up to the community, but since both Wildfly and Payara are also largely driven by Open Source projects, these are as community driven as Glassfish.
It is probably a good question, whether on the long run IBM will afford two very similar Jakarta EE implementations (OpenLiberty and Wildfly) or merge their efforts into one whichever the marketing and other management teams feel has a better chance with its customers... +1, cen! Although
I do think there are some features that still need to get into Jakarta
EE... And, I also wonder whether the support for Glassfish will survive/thrive
in Eclipse, or if Payara will be relied on more heavily... good observations
though! Thanks!
--------------------------------------------------- Kevin Sutter STSM, MicroProfile and Jakarta EE architect e-mail: sutter@xxxxxxxxxx Twitter: @kwsutter phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office) LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter
From:
cen
<cen.is.imba@xxxxxxxxx> To:
Jakara
EE community discussions <jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx> Date:
09/23/2019
11:47 AM Subject:
[EXTERNAL]
[jakarta.ee-community] Thoughts on JakartaEE Sent
by: jakarta.ee-community-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
Hi,
After reading a ton of mailing list material and blog posts I'd like to
share some thoughts on JakartaEE.
I use a lot of JavaEE and MP daily and contribute to one of MP framework
implementations.
The javax naming is very unfortunate but won't really be a big problem
for us microservice users since we can update one service at a time. Other than refactoring costs I don't see anything problematic, I think
application server users will have much more trouble.
MP was the best thing that happened to JavaEE because it allowed us to
take the stable and mature modules from JavaEE and combine them with modern approaches that were missing in the spec. Seeing how successful
MP has been so far, I wouldn't merge the projects but collaboration between projects to make specs more interop is welcome. Duplicating specs for roughly the same things would be the major fail.
I have mixed feelings about JakartaEE adding a ton of new features to attract new users. While some new features would be welcome, I see the
core modules pretty feature complete. I am not sure people would switch
massively to JakartaEE for any reason but I do know existing developers
will probably stay if platform feels alive which was not the case for the past few years. As an existing user I am more concerned about the state of some important reference implementations with long standing bugs which are an annoyance in day-to-day work. Looking at bugs.eclipse.org - Eclipselink for example screams of abandonware although now that all projects are on github contributing is thankfully
much easier. I already had some positive experience contributing to upstream RI so that's feels good.
Best regards, cen
_______________________________________________ jakarta.ee-community mailing list jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe
from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
_______________________________________________
jakarta.ee-community mailing list
jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx
To change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit
https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
_______________________________________________ jakarta.ee-community mailing list jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxxTo change your delivery options, retrieve your password, or unsubscribe from this list, visit https://www.eclipse.org/mailman/listinfo/jakarta.ee-community
|