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Re: [jakarta.ee-community] [jakarta.ee-wg] Approval announcemens
As usual Oliver, 

You are pretty fantastic with feedback not only applicable to the NoSQL contributors’ community but the entire ecosystem of the Jakarta EE family. Thank YOU for being awesome YOU!

Let me add more to this very topic on things I would like to see b/c thus far I don’t know were the code for the project is hosted.  

  • An OSS project without a git Repo is a red flag not only for coders but users

Lastly, if this project community or any other project under the EE4J family continues to choose to privately - communicate AND drop the expected and required OSS dev-list that are made available under each EE4J Project, we will continue to add a pathetic unnecesary debt.  We should be disciplined via actions and iterations to drop “private exchanges” and use the OSS process and not make it bigger than us, doing so brings short and term value to all, old contributors and new comers. Users and Coders alike! 

Informing stuff in OSS sucks, as it states the YOU and US mentality, barriers distract and lead to nothing.  

Happy Friday everyone, 

Note: I took the liberty to add to CC the Jakarta EE Community email [+760 subscribers] while WG email only has +220 subscribers. 


On Jun 14, 2019, at 9:34 AM, Oliver Drotbohm <ogierke@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi all,

can someone clarify how announcements like this [0] come to be? I've read up in the minutes of the committee meetings, been following all JNoSQL related mailing lists, gave feedback and tried to follow the project as close as possible. Still I haven't seen any public discussion about this and am surprised to see projects announced as "approved". Given the name of "Jakarta NoSQL" does that mean it's going to be come a spec?

This kind of development has had precedence in September last year [1] when again the project was announced as first JakartaEE specification without any formal backing of this. Is the new mode of operation we have to expect for JakartaEE? Vendors announcing projects by them being a standard without any kind of public trail in the first place?

I've brought this up in a smaller round before and am surprised to see that MO being used again. This makes a very bad impression on the process in the first place as – no matter how much the new openness is praised publicly – it's fundamentally subverted by the actual decisions either not being made in the way documented or the decision process not being documented as proposed. Why am I supposed to get involved in the public channels if decisions like those are made at will?

Maybe I just got lost in the amount of mailing lists and missed the communication around this. Any insights appreciated.

Cheers,
Ollie

[0] https://dzone.com/articles/moving-jakarta-forward-jakarta-nosql-has-approved
[1] https://www.tomitribe.com/blog/jnosql-and-jakarta-ee/
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