Re: [jakarta.ee-community] "Eclipse Project for Java Batch" project prop

["Kevin Sutter" <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>]

+1 on your idea of "Jakarta xxx"
(drop the EE).


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From:      
 arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx>
To:      
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Date:      
 12/20/2018 01:06 PM
Subject:    
   Re: [jakarta.ee-community]
"Eclipse Project for Java Batch" project      
 proposal
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Hi,

It would be a good to re-think some of the names in the
EE ecosystem. For now Jakarta EE Batch seems okay, but I could also imagine
a Jakarta Batch or an EE Batch instead.

For example, as for JSR 375, that is now formally called
"Java™️ EE Security API", and it doesn't have a well accepted
abbreviation. Informally I often find myself saying "EE Security".

Going forward we could have:

EE Security
EE Batch
...

Or 

Jakarta Security
Jakarta Batch
...

For some of the other specs this would be less easy, but
I could for instance imagine a list like:

Jakarta Security
Jakarta Batch
Jakarta Transactions
Jakarta Validation
Jakarta Authentication
Jakarta Authorization

One if the criticisms against Java EE was all the abbreviations
that bewilder people who are new to the platform. ES, JB, JTA, BVal, JASPIC,
JACC, CDI, EJB, JSF, EL... although I personally got attached to some of
those for me well known abbreviations, it may be time to let them go?

Just a thought though.

Kind regards,
Arjan






On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 7:14 PM reza_rahman <reza_rahman@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I generally agree with this viewpoint. Jakarta EE Batch
seems perfectly reasonable.

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-------- Original message --------
From: Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 12/20/18 12:14 PM (GMT-05:00) 
To: Jakarta EE community discussions <jakarta.ee-community@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [jakarta.ee-community] "Eclipse Project
for Java Batch" project proposal 

"Eclipse Project for..." is not intended to
be a standard. We chose that, basically, as a work around to reduce some
of the friction of bringing these projects over to the Eclipse Foundation. 

By way of background, we need our project names to avoid
infringing on trademarks held by others. There's a little grey area regarding
which spec names are trademarked and and which aren't, we didn't have the
name "Jakarta" sorted out at the time, and we didn't want to
spend a week coming up with a bunch of new names, so we came up with this
work around. At least in part, we went with this because I got tired of
arguing about it, and "Eclipse Project for..." was the least
bad option.

IMHO, "Eclipse Project for..." is meaningless
and there is value in keeping "Eclipse" out of the names of the
specifications. "Jakarta" is a brand supported by the Eclipse
Foundation and so it can be used in project names. By way of background
(again), we require that formal project names include our brand (e.g. "Eclipse
Kura"); as a brand of the Eclipse Foundation, "Jakarta EE Batch"
is (general trademark issues notwithstanding) a completely reasonable project
name.

Our most recent project is named "Jakarta EE NoSQL".
This feels like a better standard pattern to me. In fact, I'd love to see
us rename some of the existing projects as we turn them into proper "specification
projects". We might consider, for example, renaming "Eclipse
Project for JAX-WS" to something like "Jakarta EE XML Web
Services" (we might want to try and tighten that one up: "Jakarta
XML Web Services"?). Note that I haven't fully vetted this from a
trademark management point of view. Let's maybe save that larger conversation
until the new year.

HTH,

Wayne

Wayne

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:42 AM Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi,
We are looking to move the Java Batch project under the Jakarta EE umbrella! 
The project proposal just went live!
https://projects.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-project-java-batch

This project proposal is now under Community Review.  We are looking
for comments and suggestions to improve the proposal before submitting
to Eclipse for a Creation Review.  The Creation Review won't happen
until sometime in 1Q2019.

You are welcome to provide your comments via the proposal page, or via
this thread in ee-community, or via private emails to either myself or
Scott Kurz (the real lead for Java Batch).  Only use this last option
if there is something you just can't share more openly.  Eclipse really
promotes the use of open dialog, so we would prefer a public discussion
on the proposal.  Thanks!

FYI, a couple of comments already received verbally...

• Change the name to "Eclipse Project for Jakarta Batch" or maybe "Eclipse Project for Jakarta EE Batch".  The "Eclipse Project for..." prefix is our "standard" prefix for Specification and API projects in EE4J, so that part won't change.  But, changing "Java Batch" to either "Jakarta Batch" or "Jakarta EE Batch" looks reasonable.
• We need to expand on the Scope statement.  The circular reference back to the JSR 352 page just doesn't cut it.  We need to develop a "timeless" statement about the Java Batch technical content and direction.

Thanks!

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