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Re: [jakarta.ee-community] "Eclipse Project for Java Batch" project proposal
The question is, what happens to existing well-used acronyms like JSP, JSF, etc.?

With "Jakarta Server Faces" or "Jakarta Server Pages" they still make total sense, if every full project name has "Jakarta EE" in it, then would "JSF" have to become "JEESF" or "JESF"? Not to mention the preferred acronym for the Specification Process which turned out to be "JESP", if the latter short form was applied to "JSP" it would suddenly become ambiguous.

So it's not just for the full names but also acronyms both existing ones and those to come.

Werner 



On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 6:14 PM Wayne Beaton <wayne.beaton@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Eclipse Project for..." is not intended to be a standard. We chose that, basically, as a work around to reduce some of the friction of bringing these projects over to the Eclipse Foundation. 

By way of background, we need our project names to avoid infringing on trademarks held by others. There's a little grey area regarding which spec names are trademarked and and which aren't, we didn't have the name "Jakarta" sorted out at the time, and we didn't want to spend a week coming up with a bunch of new names, so we came up with this work around. At least in part, we went with this because I got tired of arguing about it, and "Eclipse Project for..." was the least bad option.

IMHO, "Eclipse Project for..." is meaningless and there is value in keeping "Eclipse" out of the names of the specifications. "Jakarta" is a brand supported by the Eclipse Foundation and so it can be used in project names. By way of background (again), we require that formal project names include our brand (e.g. "Eclipse Kura"); as a brand of the Eclipse Foundation, "Jakarta EE Batch" is (general trademark issues notwithstanding) a completely reasonable project name.

Our most recent project is named "Jakarta EE NoSQL". This feels like a better standard pattern to me. In fact, I'd love to see us rename some of the existing projects as we turn them into proper "specification projects". We might consider, for example, renaming "Eclipse Project for JAX-WS" to something like "Jakarta EE XML Web Services" (we might want to try and tighten that one up: "Jakarta XML Web Services"?). Note that I haven't fully vetted this from a trademark management point of view. Let's maybe save that larger conversation until the new year.

HTH,

Wayne

Wayne

On Thu, Dec 20, 2018 at 11:42 AM Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi,
We are looking to move the Java Batch project under the Jakarta EE umbrella!  The project proposal just went live!
https://projects.eclipse.org/proposals/eclipse-project-java-batch

This project proposal is now under Community Review.  We are looking for comments and suggestions to improve the proposal before submitting to Eclipse for a Creation Review.  The Creation Review won't happen until sometime in 1Q2019.

You are welcome to provide your comments via the proposal page, or via this thread in ee-community, or via private emails to either myself or Scott Kurz (the real lead for Java Batch).  Only use this last option if there is something you just can't share more openly.  Eclipse really promotes the use of open dialog, so we would prefer a public discussion on the proposal.  Thanks!

FYI, a couple of comments already received verbally...
  • Change the name to "Eclipse Project for Jakarta Batch" or maybe "Eclipse Project for Jakarta EE Batch".  The "Eclipse Project for..." prefix is our "standard" prefix for Specification and API projects in EE4J, so that part won't change.  But, changing "Java Batch" to either "Jakarta Batch" or "Jakarta EE Batch" looks reasonable.
  • We need to expand on the Scope statement.  The circular reference back to the JSR 352 page just doesn't cut it.  We need to develop a "timeless" statement about the Java Batch technical content and direction.

Thanks!

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