Reza,
The more Jakarta EE content the better, and the more events that
bring this community together the better. So thank you for driving
this conversation.
Two things to keep in mind:
- We (the Eclipse Foundation on behalf of the Jakarta EE
community) are considering holding a physical, in-person
conference in 1H2019 related to this technology community. It
sounds like you're considering a virtual conference, and
something this year so I don't think this conflicts, but I
wanted to let you (and everyone) know. At some point soon we
want to do a community poll about that idea and seek advice on
whether it's a good idea, where we should hold it, and when.
Hopefully the Java EE Guardians can help raise awareness of
that when we're ready to ask.
- The working group has not yet written the trademark
guidelines for Jakarta, so please keep that in mind for
whatever you want to call your event. (Well, more accurately
we have a placeholder
for the guidelines, but the real ones need to be done by the
working group.)
Hope that helps!
On 2018-04-30 2:50 PM, reza_rahman wrote:
I hope by now everyone knows Oracle is killing off JavaOne as we
know it and replacing it with something called Oracle Code One.
However you slice and dice it, this is likely not good news for
Java EE/Jakarta EE. I hope that we are not underestimating the
consequences of this and can work together to offset the impact
sensibly.
JavaOne was by far the premier destination for Java content
both in terms of quality and quantity. The same was even more
true for technologies like Java EE, NetBeans and many others. In
the Java EE track, it gave us enough leeway to accept
interesting Java EE adoption stories and talks on emerging but
niche Java EE projects. Not to mention it was the place to go to
in order to hear from the real workers behind Java EE
specifications. Virtually every significant Java EE adopter I
know went to JavaOne and every major Java EE advocate spoke
there. I very much doubt any of this will remain true with
Oracle Code One.
I am fearful those are such large gaps that will be left
behind that places like Devoxx and EclipseCon will not be able
to fill them that easily even if they wanted to. Some time ago
someone joked about something like JakartaOne. That might be the
best bet to offset basically losing what the Java EE track at
JavaOne used to offer. The problem is that while this works for
things like SpringOne, it will take a long time to build that
kind of momentum and I am not sure Java EE can wait for that
long or be able to withstand a significant lag in the conference
space. While I have heard some hints that things like JavaLand
can help solve this problem, I remain unconvinced these are any
real competition to JavaOne, Devoxx, etc. These to me seem like
smaller scale regional events that just don't have that kind of
international clout and may never gain it, at least in the short
run.
This brings me to my last point. I believe the best way to
counteract the loss of JavaOne in the immediate term is to
organize a free, virtual, community-run conference focused
solely on Java EE/Jakarta EE. I ran a brief poll and it seems
the idea is viable if it can be pulled
off:
https://twitter.com/reza_rahman/status/987789308374470656?s=19.
Once something like JakartaOne establishes itself, we can
discontinue the free online event or continue it on a more
limited scale on purpose and favor/promote JakartaOne. Who knows
- maybe online, free and community driven is in fact the future
even for JakartaOne?
I believe if needed, the Java EE Guardians can pull this off
with some cooperation from vendors. That's why I have the Java
EE Guardians alias in BCC to this initial email.
Could you please share your thoughts on this? I would
personally be particularly keen on hearing from people that are
Java EE speakers, Java EE vendors and likely organizers of
JakartaOne/EclipseCon as well as the online event I am
suggesting.
