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ok but then "split phase"
is too general. We need a term to talk about the case where one downloads
the stuff and then later does the install/configure.
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We also have a "sizing phase" for computing the install size,
which the UI decouples from the other phases when a preview is shown to
the user prior to downloading. There will likely be other cases as the
number of phases grows.
I definitely don't suggest such terminology be exposed to end users. These
kinds of options can likely be posed to the user as simple questions or
radio button options - Download updates automatically (yes/no), Install
updates automatically (yes/no), etc.
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That has nice feel at least for the general category of technical discussions.
It may be a too general though to capture just the particular case
of decoupling downloading and install/configure. Do you see other
instances of split phase scenarios?
Seems like there is a bit of a struggle between end-user terminology and
design/implementation ideas. Things like "split phase"
may be a too technical for end-user terminology ("phase" is unlikely
to be exposed). We'll probably have to look at that later in a larger
context.
Jeff
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Another possibility is "split phase install" for the case of
separating the download from the configuration. This follows the engine
terminology - it's really splitting the phases into separate invocations
of the engine. That term would also capture any situation where the phases
are broken apart, rather than being specific to the separate download/configure
case.
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Thanks for the clarification. Suggested terms
- deferred install or staged install
- sequenced install
I am not happy with the term following "deferred" or "sequenced".
People may read too much into it (e.g., does sequenced updating sequence
installs too?). perhaps * "operation".
Jeff
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For context the item that Jim initially quoted came out of the questions
section of the wiki (http://wiki.eclipse.org/Equinox_p2_Plan). This section
list questions that we need to answer by the end of M3 to decide what we
deliver in 3.4 will look like. The download before the installation is
not
on this list because it is already decided that we will be doing it and
the
API work to allow that has been done as part of the refactoring of the
IDirector that got committed yesterday by Susan. I think I call that "eager
download".
To avoid further confusion which terms do you think we should use for each
of these?
My proposal: "eager download" to refer to download before installation
and
"staged updated" to refer to updates that must be happening.
Note that I'm not happy with any of these.
PaScaL
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Interstingly I would have said that it referred to a decoupling between
the
downloading and installing of some IUs/artifacts. For example, you
might
push all the GBs of content to a few thousand machines over a couple weeks
and then trigger them to update all at once overnight or some such. Both
the scenario you outline and this one are important/interesting...
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That is an important capability, We have had cases where it would have
been
helpful.
The easiest example is a bug in the director that would prevent a full
update without a fix.
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It refers to installing/using specific updates prior to other updates.
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On the Equinox p2 plan page, under "Questions for M3", one item
is "Staged
update"
Does this refer to downloading prior to running or to installing/using
specific updates prior to other updates?
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