Re: [equinox-dev] Attaching fragments to resolved hosts.

[Olivier Gruber <ogruber@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I forgot, I don't think we need to redo
something like refreshPackages for fragments.
If fragments are just like updating
their host, then, we are already covered by the package
admin semantics. However, fragments
themselves should be optional to OSGi, allowing to 
avoid entirely the overhead for small
platforms, if needed. 

Best regards,

Olivier Gruber, Ph.D.
Persistent & Distributed Object Platforms and Frameworks
IBM TJ Watson Research Center

Jeff McAffer <Jeff_McAffer@xxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: equinox-dev-admin@xxxxxxxxxxx 03/29/2004 09:32 PM Please respond to equinox-dev

To:        equinox-dev@xxxxxxxxxxx         cc:                 Subject:        Re: [equinox-dev] Attaching fragments to resolved hosts.

Predictability is the way to go.  A couple of notes:

- the general theory of the "fragments must be attached in order"
rule goes something like "a fragment which changes preexisting classloading
behaviour cannot be attached until the host is refreshed"

- The solution to your example is quite as easy as you say.  There
is no easy way to know that X includes package foo (assume it is in the
PRIVATE class space).   You could do an implementation trick where
you know what packages you have loaded from yourself but that may not be
much fun to track.  Hmm, does the classloader know this?

- The NL usecase is compelling as Peter notes.  Unfortunately, it
too suffers from these problems since the NL resources are loaded by the
classloader based on the same package import/requires rules.

- Perhaps we can leave it open to the implementation in the same way as
refreshPackages is spec'd such that a shutdown/restart is an acceptable
implementation. Bascially state thta under no circumstances can a fragment
cause a change to preexisting classloading and implementations are free
to attach dynamically or require a refresh. 

Jeff

Peter Kriens <Peter.Kriens@xxxxxxxx>
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03/29/2004 12:37 PM

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To	Thomas Watson <tjwatson@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject	Re: [equinox-dev] Attaching fragments to resolved hosts.

Hmm. Fragments seem way too powerful. We seem to hopping between two
thougts. I always liked the localization use case which seems simple
and straightforward. A fragment is not a bundle and should not try
to become one in my opinion. I agree that it should not be allowed to
to do anything outside the scope of its host.

KISS!

Kind regards,

    Peter Kriens


TW> In the Equinox OSGi Framework we allowa fragment to attach
TW> itself to a resolved host only if it can logicallybe appended to
TW> the end to of the the bundle classpath of the host.  Butshould
we
TW> allow fragments to be attached to resolved or active hosts ifthe
TW> fragment imports additional packages or requires additional
TW> bundles? The current Equinox Framework allows for this to happen.

TW> This can lead to unpredictable behaviorwith respect to
TW> loading classes and resources from a host while it is
TW> resolved. For example, a bundle X includes a package foo and does
TW> not importany packages or require any bundles.  Bundle X is
TW> resolved and startedwithin the Framework.  Fragment Y is a
TW> fragment to Bundle X and itrequires Bundle Z which provides
TW> package foo.  If Fragment Y is attachedto a resolved Bundle
X then
TW> Bundle X will all of a sudden start loadingpackage foo from Bundle
TW> Z because it was required by Fragment Y.

TW> I suggest the Framework should not allowa fragment to attach
TW> to a resolved or active host bundle if the fragmentimports or
TW> requires anything that is not already imported or required bythe
TW> resolved host bundle.  If a host bundle is refreshed then it
TW> willbecome unresolved and re-resolved, at that time the new
TW> fragment bundleshould be attached to the host bundle.

TW> Thomas Watson


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