Re: [epp-dev] RC1 Testing and Issues

[brian.fitzpatrick@xxxxxxxxxx]

Since it's been there forever, I'd caution
against removing it without first asking the broader Eclipse community
about removing it. For example, I personally have come to rely on the JEE
package having the PDE bits and the DTP bits to help me quick-start a development
environment. 

We are getting closer and closer to
the release... so changes to established patterns (and JEE is one of the
popular packages for download) might cause some unforseen ripples...

If you get rid of it, it just means
I'd have to install it from the update site - one extra step. But I'm lazy.
:)

That said, I can certainly understand
your logic about removing it to streamline the package. 

--Fitz

Brian Fitzpatrick
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How funny. Who put that there? :) 
Hope you don't mind too terribly if I remove it? 
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=277394
I don't see "pde" in our list of features, so I'll have to see
who pulls
it in. Maybe rcp. 

Thanks, 




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David, there IS a plug-in development perspective in the JEE package. It's
been there as long as I can remember. 

And just to prove to myself that I'm not hallucinating, grabbing today's
build (20090521-0738_eclipse-jee-galileo-RC1-win32.win32.x86.zip) confirms
it... 

CVS, Database Debug, Database Development, Debug, Java, Java Browsing,
Java EE (default), Java Type Hierarchy, _javascript_, JPA, Planning, Plug-in
Development, Remote System Explorer, Resource, Team Synchronizing, Web,
and XML perspectives 



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But, indeed, even if you had the Java EE Package, there would be no plugin

development perspective. We (well, I) leave PDE out of the Java EE package

deliberately, mostly since the target users are those developing web 
applications and we all know the result of including everything all 
developers might need. 




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Yeah... That would do it. Sorry. Grabbed Java instead of Java EE. Duh.
Long week. 

Thanks! 

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Hmm, you are using the Java package? At least it looks like this.
If this is true then the plugin development perspective is not there 
because this package is for Java developers only, i.e. without PDE, the
sources, etc.

If it is the RCP package then... it would be a severe error.

Markus


2009/5/21 <brian.fitzpatrick@xxxxxxxxxx> 

Is the plug-in development perspective missing from this EPP package for
RC1? Or am I just missing it? 

I'm looking at the win32 version and just seeing the CVS, Debug, Java 
(default), Java Browsing, Java Type Hierarchy, Planning, Resource, Team
Syncrhonization, and XML perspectives. 


--Fitz 

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I'll give a quick +1 for Java EE package (but admit have only tested web
apps on windows). 

Just FYI, I have started a "results" page at 
http://wiki.eclipse.org/EPP/Package_Testing/Results/JavaEEIDE/20090521
and sent a note to participating dev lists, 
and will hopefully get some broader testing.

I did notice there's a few update sites listed now, but not the whole 
list. 
Is that issue being tracked in a but somewhere? Will we have to "manually"


provide a list for this release? 


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