Re: [ee4j-pmc] Just changing javax to jakarta in package names

["Kevin Sutter" <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>]

+1, Arjan!  I'll
go for that!


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Kevin Sutter 
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ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote
on 05/30/2019 01:05:47 PM:

> From: arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: EE4J PMC Discussions <ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 05/30/2019 01:06 PM
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ee4j-pmc]
Just changing javax to jakarta in
> package names
> Sent by: ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There's indeed a strong point for the utter simple mapping of just
> javax to jakarta. Although I remain of the opinion that it's also
a 
> unique chance to finally rectify some weirdness (like javax.resource
> for JCA, aka Connectors), there's definitely something to say for
a 
> trivial mapping.
> 
> After some consideration, maybe for this release just javax to 
> jakarta is best, and then per project consider additional changes
> for a later release.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Arjan
> 
> On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 6:53 PM Alasdair Nottingham <
> alasdair.nottingham@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> +1 with my developer hat on
changing import statements is one thing,
> having to change type names which are sprinkled through my code, or
> method names would be horrific. Changing package name from 
> javax.jakarta is always going to be simpler to automate because I
> have to match on the right package name and then change javax to 
> jakarta and I’m done. Automating where every package has a unique
> transform is more work because I need a mapping from one to the 
> other so I’m very much in favour of just changing javax to jakarta.
> 
> On May 30, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg@xxxxxxxxx
> > wrote:
> 
> +1 - let's minimise the confusion for the day to day developer here.
> 
> Cheers,
> Martijn
> 
> On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 16:01, Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> Sorry, I should have include
the link to Mike's post:  https://
> www.eclipse.org/lists/jakartaee-platform-dev/msg00331.html
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Kevin Sutter 
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> ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 05/30/2019 08:53:36 AM:
> 
> > From: "Kevin Sutter" <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: EE4J PMC Discussions <ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: 05/30/2019 08:53 AM
> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ee4j-pmc] Just changing javax to jakarta
in
> > package names
> > Sent by: ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > 
> > There is absolutely no requirement to change anything in the
Package
> > names other than "javax" to "jakarta". 
Thus, jms, jsp, jstl, jpa, 
> > ejb, etc can all by continued to use.  This was clearly
stated by 
> > Mike Milinkovich on one of the Platform-Dev threads...
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > Kevin Sutter 
> > STSM, MicroProfile and Java EE architect
> > e-mail:  sutter@xxxxxxxxxx     Twitter:  @kwsutter
> > phone: tl-553-3620 (office), 507-253-3620 (office)    
> > LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinwsutter
> > 
> > ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote on 05/30/2019 08:35:29 AM:
> > 
> > > From: "Gergely Molnár" <gergelymolnarpro@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: EE4J PMC Discussions <ee4j-pmc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Date: 05/30/2019 08:35 AM
> > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [ee4j-pmc] Just changing javax to
jakarta in
> > > package names
> > > Sent by: ee4j-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > 
> > > Is JSP and JSLT affected too or Persistence (JPA)?
> > 
> > > Best regards/Üdvözlettel,
> > > Gergely Molnár
> > > 
> > > arjan tijms <arjan.tijms@xxxxxxxxx> ezt írta (időpont:
2019. máj. 
> > > 30., Cs 15:30):
> > > > The spec names should change but not the package other
than 
> > > replacing javax with jakarta.  We already have a lot
of work to do 
> > > with the transition without adding more overhead and honestly,
I see
> > > no benefit in changing the package names at all.
> > > 
> > > I think there is a benefit, as mentioned that we only really
get 
> > > this chance once. I do appreciate Kevin's concern for the
ripple 
> > > effect, as indeed, every other change is just a small change
on top 
> > > of the previous one. But all together it becomes bigger
and bigger.
> > > 
> > > That said, suppose we do indeed only change javax to jakarta,
what 
> > > about packages that contain names that are not to be used
anymore, 
> > > such as javax.jms? In that case I guess we *have* to change
"jms" as
> > > well, right?
> > > 
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Arjan
> > > 
> > > On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 2:49 PM Martijn Verburg <martijnverburg@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > wrote:
> > > +1 to this - perhaps package names can be changed for Jakarta
EE 9/10
> > > 
> > > On Thu, 30 May 2019 at 13:27, Richard Monson-Haefel <rmonson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > wrote:
> > > Just chiming in, I hope that is Ok. 
> > > 
> > > The spec names should change but not the package other than
> > > replacing javax with jakarta.  We already have a lot
of work to do 
> > > with the transition without adding more overhead and honestly,
I see
> > > no benefit in changing the package names at all. People
are used to 
> > > them, regardless of how strange they might be, and changing
them 
> > > just adds to the confusion. I hope we don't do this on top
of 
> > > everything else. Seems like a waste of resources and a great
way to 
> > > create more issues.
> > > 
> > > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 4:03 PM Kevin Sutter <sutter@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > On a separate discussion thread, Bill Shannon and I were
discussing 
> > > the proposed package renaming...
> > > 
> > > > I trust this was just used as an example since there
is no 
> > > requirement to change
> > > > anything in the package name other than javax. 
If a component 
> > > wishes to change
> > > > the package name (ie. javax.ws.rs.* to jakarta.rest.*),
then they 
> > > are allowed
> > > > to.  But, I wouldn't recommend it.  Keep
the changes to a minimum.
> > > 
> > > This is indeed a completely separate issue, but the direction
from the PMC
> > > so far has been to use package names that are more aligned
with 
> the new spec
> > > names.
> > > 
> > > I don't remember that we, as the PMC, were recommending
to modify 
> > > the package names to be more aligned with the new spec names.
 And, 
> > > personally, I wouldn't recommend it.  The more we change,
the more 
> > > angst it produces for our customers.  Just change javax
to jakarta 
> > > and be done with it.  (IMHO)
> > > 
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > > Kevin Sutter 
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