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Re: [eclipse-ide-wg] [cross-project-issues-dev] Xtext Leaving Eclipse Simrel with 2021-06


On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 9:24 AM Christian Dietrich <christian.dietrich@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

yes we can keep it unless some new ASM, Guice, Guava, Junit5 or another "paying attention" topic forces us to act and build milestones and releases with the 3 weeks pressure.


Thanks Christian for pointing it out that the faster and faster cadence is not a decision of one or another individual! It's smth inflicted on all of us by the environment and we are facing the unpleasant choice of either "throw in the towel" (as Ed said) or adapt to environment speed and compatibility expectations and inflict on projects depending on your project. Unfortunately, absorbing the environmental changes and incompatibilities and guard your downstreams from them is plain impossible with current manpower. Environmental changes are accelerating exponentially thus the possibility to absorb changes at certain layers requires growth in investments at a similar level in investment at the layer where absorbing is wanted. As long as this doesn't happen these changes will be thrown down and down the stack multiplying the collective price we (as a community) pay more and more.
 

Am 26.03.21 um 08:20 schrieb Ed Merks:
All,

I've been tempted for quite some time to make a similar announcement, only for EMF.   I don't believe I will have the resource to get EMF's build working on the new infrastructure, and most certainly I am highly unlikely to do so without some evidence that the cost and effort involved will *not *be born only by me personally (and by the helpful-but-overburdened Foundation Staff):

  https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=558735#c1

I *strongly *recommend to the IDE Working Group that action be taken without further delay.


Christian,

One thing that I would ask, and strongly suggest for Xtext, is simply to leave your current contribution(s) to SimRel as is for contribution to 2021-06 such that the IDE Working Group has time to take action.   There is no absolute requirement that you must provide a new release, right?  Certainly one would hope that it's reasonable to assume that the Platform, and your other dependencies, will remain fully compatible with your most recently release, right?

Physically removing the most recent Xtext release from the 2021-06 train is a bit of a bombshell that affects a great many other projects.  Once we drop this bomb, we may as well throw in the towel...

Regards,
Ed


On 25.03.2021 13:28, Dietrich, Christian wrote:
Hi all,

i want to inform you that we at itemis will no longer drive the participation of Xtext in the Eclipse simultaneous release beginning with the upcoming 2021-06 release https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release <https://blogs.itemis.com/en/xtext-is-leaving-the-eclipse-simultaneous-release>.

As there are currently no other parties with the capacity to take over the work this will result in Xtext leaving the Simrel. This will also affect other projects in the Simrel that consume Xtext like OCL, Xcore, Parsley and parts of GEF as well as the DSL Package in EPP. (and maybe others)

Please feel free to join the discussion at https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961 <https://github.com/eclipse/xtext/issues/1961>

KInd Regards, Christian

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