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[ecf-dev] Re: [technology-pmc] Re: [tools-pmc] Newsreader project 
Mike,
Right, understood. I can't remember now what I wrote, but I always intended my suggestion of a Community Involvement project to incubate under Technology. My remaining question is whether the rest of the tech PMC thinks there is enough potential (and likelihood) for some other related tools to materialize, to justify this more general project (as opposed to just creating a "news client" project with limited scope). My initial brainstorm of ideas is repeated below; I was hoping to get feedback on this list and, ideally, some more suggestions that could be eventually included. So, do we want to go with just a "Salvo" (Wim's newsgroup client) project, or a broader Community Involvement project (of course open to better name suggestions)? 

Potential tool ideas that could fall under this umbrella:
* Newsgroup client (Wim's is mostly complete)
* IRC client (EMC has one already, or at least the underpinnings for one)
* Dead-simple bug reporting from the workbench (Mylyn has most already, but I think the UI needs to be more obvious) 
* Workbench-integrated browsing of the www.eclipse.org Resources content
* Workbench-integrated eclipse.org search
* ...others...?

Eric


Mike Milinkovich wrote:

Wim, Eric,

New top-level projects are not created from new projects which are in
incubation[1]. The way the Eclipse process works is that once we have a
collection of mature projects in a domain which want to band together to
form a TLP, the Board will review and approve an approved charter.
Currently, ECF is the only mature project on your list of suggested domains.

I would suggest that you get started in Technology and re-visit the idea of
a new top-level project once your new project(s) have exited incubation.

Please note that these comments are not in any way meant to dampen your
enthusiasm for creating a "Collaboration" or "Social" top level project. I
think it's a very interesting idea. But I believe we need a couple more
mature projects in the domain before such a TLP should be proposed to the
Board.

I hope this helps!

[1] The reason this is true is that we tried it early in our evolution as a
community and it did not work very well. PMCs need to have some prior
experience with shipping Eclipse open source.

Mike Milinkovich
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:postmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wim Jongman
Sent: June-05-09 4:58 AM
To: Wayne Beaton
Cc: Eclipse Communication Framework (ECF) developer mailing list.;

Technology

PMC; Tools PMC mailing list; ralph@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [technology-pmc] Re: [tools-pmc] Newsreader project

Hi Guys,

Sounds good to me. What about the idea of a top level "Social",
"Community" or "Collaboration" top level project where matured tools
from ECF, Technology, Etc.. can be moved to?

I am thinking about. IRC, Newsreader, twitter clients, etcetera?

Best regards,

Wim

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Wayne Beaton<wayne@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

ECF, quite reasonably, isn't going to be able to move on this any time
before July.

I wonder if the right approach is to create a project under Technology

that

we can later move to ECF?

Wayne

Wim Jongman wrote:

Okay, this sounds like a consent conclusion and I am more than happy
to work with ECF. What should I do next. Send the same introduction
e-mail to the Technology PMC?

Best regards,

Wim Jongman

On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Schaefer, Doug
<Doug.Schaefer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


+1. ECF or Tech. Nothing more to add.

-----Original Message-----
From: tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:tools-pmc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff McAffer
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:54 AM
To: Tools PMC mailing list
Cc: Wayne Beaton; slewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [tools-pmc] Newsreader project




Looking at the current top level projects list, I don't think that
there is currently a project that is a good fit for tools like this.
Ideally there should be a "Social" top level project that would fit
tools like this one and could also hold the "Social" subprojects from
ECF like the chat clients and the IRC client and possible future
projects like a twitter client. I have some other ideas about this

top

     level project. However, at the moment, the Tools project seems

the

best.



I am not so fussed about which top-level project at the moment and
generally we don't start top-levels until there is a very clear
direction and community.

Also we should keep separate (to a certain degree) which technology is
being used.  That is, just cause the project *might* be in mylyn (for
example) does not mean that one automatically has to install mylyn to
make it work.  That all depends on the code dependencies.  We have
swaths of Equinox that don't need the Equinox framework at all or can
run on other frameworks.

Your comments around Social and ECF actually lead me to believe that
while the implementation does not necessarily use ECF, ECF is

currently

a focal point at Eclipse for social/communications things.  So perhaps
this is better suited to being part of ECF with an aim to at some

point

growing a broader social community.  Failing that, I personally

suggest

a project in Technology.  Technology is the usual spot to start

projects

that have no other obvious home.

Jeff

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