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Re: [ecf-dev] Large number of clients 
Hi Leen,

Leen Toelen wrote:

Hi,

thanks a lot for the reply, I will check the jingle extensions.
As for the xmpp server, that would be great indead for ecf. What I have done is taken the openjve server and wrapped it in an osgi bundle. No dark magic but it works. I haven't done any customizations, and still need to investigate if this is even legal to do so (ecf and openfire are both open source, but have different licenses), but this version was just a proof of concept. I guess the easiest way forward is to ask Jive to do it :-)
It might be worthwhile to ask Jive if we (ECF contributors) could coordinate/work with them on this. I am acquaintances with Matt Tucker, CTO there...and it might be useful to them to engage them openly in such an effort. So if you decide to contact them about this please us know via this list. 

Thanks,

Scott



Regards,
Leen
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 7:34 AM, Scott Lewis <slewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:slewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: 

    Hi Leen,

    Leen Toelen wrote:
    > Hi,
    >
    > I am investigating the feasibility of a project, and ecf is one
    of the
    > technologies which looks like it might be very useful for it. We're
    > going to deploy a large number of nodes (+-20.000) with an equinox
    > stack on them. From time to time they need to call home and download
    > updated software if available.
    > Most of the time they will be watching their environmental
    sensors and
    > have some predefined triggers. When a trigger goes off they need to
    > send a message to the server, which takes action if needed.
    > There are administrators as well, which should be given the
    option to
    > remotely use the node's OSGI services, set its parameters, stream
    > audio and video, get its GPS location etc.
    > I was thinking of setting up an xmpp server (wrapped in an OSGI
    > bundle) and use ecf as a communication platform. The xmpp server
    > should be able to handle 20000 clients (which are not doing a
    lot most
    > of the time) and so the administrator gets a good idea on when each
    > node is online. When the administrator is interested in a specifc
    > node, he can use its remote services as well.
    >
    > My questions are:
    > - is ecf/xmpp the best library/protocol for something like this?

    Although the ECF team would like to build and XMPP server, we have not
    yet done so....so the difficulty for you would be in creating a
    scalable
    XMPP server implementation (using OSGi, Equinox and ECF).  It's
    possible
    that you could use one of the commercial xmpp servers, such as Jive
    Software's, but I'm not sure whether their server scales to that many
    simultaneous clients.

    > - is ecg capable of streaming video and audio?

    ECF has a call signalling API, and thanks to some work by Moritz Post,
    there is an implementation of Jingle (an XMPP extension protocol) that
    does streaming audio.  There is more information about this work here:

    http://wiki.eclipse.org/VOIP
    http://wiki.eclipse.org/VoIP_via_the_ECF_Call_API_and_the_Jingle_Protocol

    > - I've got a basic setup running with little text messages, but will
    > it scale to that many nodes?

    For XMPP I don't know.  It would likely depend heavily on the quality
    and scalability of the server (less so on ECF APIs actually).

    Sorry I can't be more definite, but in truth the main scalability
    point
    for that many clients and doing things like streaming audio is the
    server/servers, and like I said we would very much like to create an
    XMPP server from Equinox/OSGi, and ECF, we haven't yet done so.

    If you are interested in creating an XMPP server, however, this would
    likely be a very good sub-project for ECF going forward, as we are
    moving into the new Eclipse Runtime project.  Also, we have received
    several inquiries about an ECF-based XMPP server previously, and so
    there seems to be very good community interest.

    Thanks,

    Scott


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