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Thanks to Arthur and Tim and others for continuing my
education :)
The
JUnit and Ant analogies really helped.
Dan,
I take it the current enhancement request
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=90003
is
*the* source of documentation on this request?
Problem
statement, how to solve problem, etc.?
(You
may, eventually, want to enhance it with some of the
information
from this thread of discussion, so it will be
clear
to others who read about its "purpose" and "importance").
And,
judging from that enhancement request, it is all currently
a
seperate plugin, but requires some use of server "internal" methods?
(Anything
look like it could not be "evolved" post 1.0 to support without
using
internal methods? Guess that's Tim's call.)
It
also sounds like, from that feature request, you'll continue working with
TPTP
for "fuller" integration from their end (in the future)?
This
all sounds like goodness to me.
One
small suggestion, for
future
but prior to release/milestone, assuming all this continues for
R1,
is you might want to create a
little
"mini-tutorial" for wtp web on "how to use". (Similar to
your
current
readme, but using typical HTMLish content, with screen shots, if appropriate).
Thanks
all,
Timothy Deboer <deboer@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Hi,
I don't think we have a conflict with TPTP here either. We're really just providing
J2EE specific JUnit tests, so this is just an extension of the platform's JUnit
support to our specific artifact types. It's tied much tighter to our J2EE
server integration than it would be to any general testing tool.
Thanks,
Tim deBoer
WebSphere Tools - IBM Canada Ltd.
(905) 413-3503 (tieline 969)
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David,
Let me clarify. WTP is not providing any new runtime frameworks. We only provide
tools that support standard runtime frameworks. However Cactus is a development
tool. It is in the same category as JUnit or Ant. WTP should help users test
code. However, WTP does not have the mission of developing general purpose
testing tools. That is the mission of TPTP. That being said, domain specific
test aids are in scope. Cactus is very focused on servlets so any help WTP can
provide to make its use easier for developers is fine. WTP should also provide
TPTP integration.
Arthur Ryman,
Rational Desktop Tools Development
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Dan, I confess my ignorance (too) and ask ... what's the benefit to WTP?
>From the Apache Cactus website, "Cactus is a simple test
framework for unit testing server-side java code (Servlets, EJBs, Tag Libs,
Filters, ...). ".
While this is a great thing, WTP isn't providing "server side java
code" per se, are we?
So ... just wondering ... (I suspect you've explained this before/else where
and I've lost track).
Thanks. (And, please, interpret the questions as interest, not resistance :)
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Hi Dan,
I'm the most likely candidate to adopt this code, and was going to respond back
to your earlier note. I think the code looks good and ready to go, I just have
a couple minor concerns that hopefully will be easy to resolve. The first is
that I have a passing familiarity with Cactus, but I'm definitely not an
expert. I was hoping the community would chime in with feedback or even a
"hey, that'd be great!". I'd like to get at least one other person
who is familiar with Cactus to give this a try and give a thumbs-up. If nobody
else offers, maybe one of the other guys at BEA?
Second, I don't have the resource to do anything more than review & commit
code, answer questions, etc. I doubt this is an issue, but I just need to be
clear that I'm expecting you to maintain the code with cleanup, general release
polishing, and fixing bugs.
We can take the rest of this offline and hopefully get the code in soon!
Thanks,
Tim deBoer
WebSphere Tools - IBM Canada Ltd.
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Hi everyone,
I am still in the market for a committer to adopt the cactus code. I would love
to see it get into 1.0. It is functional and has a very nice README if you
would like to try it out. I do need to take a few minutes to move it into
internal packages but I am holding off until I know where this is going to be
packaged and whether it is going to be in its own plug-in or part of another.
So be kind. Support server-side testing and adopt this poor lonely plug-in that
needs a home.
Thanks,
Dan
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