Re: [viatra-dev] [incquery-dev] Pre-configured Eclipse instances for dow

[Istvan Rath <rath@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Yes, we'll discuss this next time.

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On 03 Apr 2015, at 18:35, David, Istvan <davidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi,

I agree, the Marketplace entry is a good alternative, indeed.

Shall we discuss the details on the meeting next Tuesday?

Istvan

2015-04-03 18:25 GMT+02:00 Ujhelyi Zoltán <ujhelyiz@xxxxxxxxxx>:

Hi,

in short term, I don't think having a standalone Eclipse instance available helps in case of VIATRA (and the same for EMF-IncQuery), as we are positioning our tools to be installable to any existing Eclipse instance.

Furthermore, providing these all-in-one downloads is time consuming (both in real build execution time and maintenance time), so I am not really sure whether its worth the effort. And any solution, that relies on students for this is a bad idea, because we want a solution for a long time.

On the other hand, I think it would be a good idea to have a Marketplace entry for VIATRA as well; until we have a release, we could set it up with milestone builds. This is really low-cost, and it could help for our users a lot.

Cheers,
Zoli
-- Zoltán Ujhelyi
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Budapest University of Technology and Economics

> On 2015. ápr. 3., at 18:09, David, Istvan <davidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Maybe this would be the most useful for users of milestones (=testers, students, etc),
> That's a good point. I tried to phrase this as general as possible, but indeed, these two groups are the pertinent examples.
>
> If you have time for this
> I was thinking about scheduling it after the release maybe.
> BTW, aren't there bachelor/master students with a topic on build automation? :)
>
> Cheers,
> Istvan
>
>
> 2015-04-03 17:57 GMT+02:00 István Ráth <rath@xxxxxxxxxx>:
> Hi,
>
> obviously, anything that makes our beginner users’ lives easier is welcome. If you have time for this, I’m very much in favor.
>
> However I’m not sure how big a difference this would actually make. Maybe this would be the most useful for users of milestones (=testers, students, etc), as releases are (IMHO) sufficiently straightforward to install via the Marketplace, and anyone using the integration builds is smart enough to know how to do so.
>
> Istvan
>
> On 3 Apr 2015 at 17:23:30, David, Istvan (davidi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx) wrote:
>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I had a not-so-pleasant experience recently with an inexperienced Eclipse user trying to install VIATRA and all its prerequisites. It made me wondering whether we should kinda "lower the threshold" for getting started with our tools.
>>
>> As you probably know, Xtext provides pre-configured Eclipse instances with the latest released Xtext version: https://www.eclipse.org/Xtext/download.html. As the first release of VIATRA3 is coming, maybe we could consider doing so as well.
>>
>> This would definitely make it easier to get started with our tools. (And PR-wise speaking: it would also increase the chances to attract new users, especially the ones lacking experience in Eclipse.)
>> On the other hand though, this is obviously only feasible in an automated fashion, which means putting effort into "extra-functional development", to say so. (That is, spending undoubtedly fun hours/days/weeks with Hudson, Maven and related stuff.)
>>
>>
>> What do you think?
>> My 2c is that it would worth the efforts, although I understand if some of you find this an overkill at first glance. Anyhow, let's have a conversation on this and the possible alternatives.
>>
>> I kinda suspect this has been discussed previously, so any pointers to older threads are welcome. :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Istvan
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