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[tools-pmc] RE: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP
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OK. But Microsoft isn't contributing to it and I don't get paid by Microsoft to do it so it's not totally the same. But yes, I won't disagree that there is a very fuzzy line here and I'm just trying to feel where this contribution sits in relation to that line. (BTW, as a side note, I do wrestle with whether this integration should be at Eclipse or on SourceForge with Wascana and I do plan on moving it if the community feels uncomfortable with it. SourceForge is a decent alternative and not everything has to be at Eclipse).
My main concern is that a vendor isn't using Eclipse as a distribution channel for it's customers (which your last statement confirms they are). My worry is that this can have an adverse affect on project diversity by making it appear as an IBM tools project. I know that's *NOT* what you guys are doing, but we need to make sure the community understands that and gets a chance to voice their concerns if they don't. At the very least, we should all think about it. And I think I've accomplished my goal here so I probably won't comment more (much ;)).
BTW, I'm glad to hear more about this contribution. As a point of process, it's very important to provide a justification when making such a significant contribution to help the PMC decide where to put our +/- 1's, and, of course, to give the community a chance to express their opinions which we ultimately reflect.
Thanks!
Doug.
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From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Chris Recoskie
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 2:09 PM
To: Parallel Tools Platform general developers
Subject: RE: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP
By that logic your Windows build toolchain and debugger integration shouldn't be there, since clearly that supports Microsoft's commercial interests.
Fact is, not everyone uses GNU tools. The more platforms CDT supports, the more it will be used.
And sadly no, there is no IDE IBM sells for the scientific space. I'm of the opinion they should, but they don't.
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IBM Toronto
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RE: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP
Cool, thanks Craig. I can see Cell being useful for the scientific community. But I'm trying to figure out if there is any separation between the Cell IDE and IBM commercial interests. You did somewhat confirm that you are an IBM customer and do fit on the commercial side. I assume IBM, like most platform vendors, should be providing a supported IDE as a part of their solution, no?
I think we get into a fuzzy area when a commercial vendor contributes software that can only be used with their products. I have similar concerns with the xlc integration with the CDT, BTW. I'll need to check up the chain about that, assuming that's what this is. And, if the community fully support this, it makes it harder for me to argue.
Cheers,
Doug.
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From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Craig Rasmussen
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 10:44 AM
To: Parallel Tools Platform general developers
Cc: lagarcia@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP
The Cell architecture is a big component of Los Alamos' computing vision. We have just purchased the 1 Petaflop Roadrunner machine and are looking for ways to ease the transition for our developers. I'm a member of a small team of neural scientists at LANL who are purchasing a small Cell based cluster for code development. Our team is also using Eclipse and PTP and the Cell IDE fits very nicely in the parallel space we are working in.
Cheers,
Craig
On Jul 11, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Schaefer, Doug wrote:
I've added a comment on the bug. I'm just wondering how the Cell IDE fits into the PTP mandate. And I'm wondering about the community around the Cell IDE, i.e., who uses it, is there a community outside of IBM commercial interests?
Doug wearing his Tools PMC hat.
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From: ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:ptp-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxx> ] On Behalf Of Leonardo Augusto Guimarães Garcia
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:09 PM
To: Parallel Tools Platform general developers
Subject: Re: [ptp-dev] Cell IDE contribution to PTP
Greg,
I attached the necessary patches and the source code for Cell IDE in the Eclipse bug #240243 <https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=240243> .
Please, let me know if there is any issue.
Best regards,
Leonardo Garcia
Linux on Cell and Prism Focal Point - LTC Brazil
IDE Software Engineer - Linux on Cell
Linux Technology Center Brazil
Phone: +55-19-2132-2068 (T/L: 839-2068)
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Leonardo Augusto Guimarães Garcia wrote:
Greg,
I opened Eclipse bug #240243 <https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=240243> in order to contribute Cell IDE source code to PTP.
I'll attach the necessary patches and source code on the bug by the end of this week so that you and others interested can take a look.
Best regards,
Leonardo Garcia
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